IQD Calls Chat Sunday Evening 9-1-19 Part 2 of 2

IQD Calls Chat Sunday Evening 9-1-19 Part 2 of 2

 Sparky   ...whoever asked about dates on notes, CBI governor signature is on the front of the notes, should give you reasonable time of issue...

Sparky   ...but, personally not sure if that matters...

 Sparky    ... most of mine were signed by Shabbibi... easy to.tell his signature, he signs with a "heart "

Sparky   xyz ... you have gained lots more respect with me, as Whitelions vouched for your knowledge in this endeavor...sorry for any previous disrespect...

 Vizo   Hi Sparky...regarding the print date...that would be me...I see a heart at the bottom of the tree...is that what you are referring to? If so, do you know what the print date might be...? Thanks..

Wilder   Sparky whats your thoughts on all of this? I'm not sure I'm buying into all of this. If this institutional stuff should be. Soneone stands to get the short end of the stck. Just like all this tier1 tier2 and the 800#s.

Sparky   Dave ...saw something about Federal Court Law coming up in next session...

 Dave   Sparky heard that with every session in the last ten yrs

Dave   same with hcl 140 etc

Sparky   Vizo ... only know it was while he was CBI governor...and should be just fine to cash in when the time comes...

Vizo   @Sparky...thanks...

Deano   So where do we stand right now ???

Dave   Deano on a earth that apparently is flat for some

Deano   @Dave good point. Appreciate the sense of humor

Deano   Anyone here care to give their thoughts about the coins they've been talking about ?

Sparky   Deano ...metals cost more to make, and last longer... just don't know the denominations..

Deano   @Sparky but do you think they have to have a new rate before they introduce these coins?

Sparky   Deano ...my personal opinion is yes... historically, they went down to fils...1000ths of a Dinar... leading me to believe the value must increase if brought into circulation ...

Sparky   ... depending on denominations, of course...

 Deano   I also agree with that. The $64,000 question is when will they release these coins. Not asking you in general. Just speaking out loud.

SKELFLA   Sparky if my theory is correct about the IQD being used as the base currency for a derivative for trade along the one belt one road initiative it won't be a derivative in the classical sense. More an alternative reserve currency that the Chinese can use and leverage without the trade having an impact on their Yuan .... I read a white paper given to me by an economist from China that alluded to just such a thing it didn't name the currency but the way it was written suggested it was the IQD they had in mind.

Sparky   SKELFLA ... therefore making Iraq a "donar" country ? As, opposed to rentier ?

SKELFLA    Sparky I always thought that what ever the objective is that bits and pieces have leaked out over the years and the gurus have taken these leaks and embellished them. That's why even the most outlandish statements can sometimes be based on fact. Unbeknownst to the gurus because they are without a single exception too stupid to decipher it.

SKELFLA   Sparky I don't know what you mean..

Portmagaland   Good afternoon all, just getting caught up a little on the convo and citing Bush JR. or any Bush for that matter to give your side of the debate weakens your position based on, "Read my lips .......... Iraq has weapons of mass destruction". You all like how I just merged Sr. and Jr.'s lies into one. Admit it, pretty cleaver.

SKELFLA   Sparky But at the same time I'm pretty sure certain central banks as well as the IMF will need to be involved... In fact I believe they have to be.

Portmagaland   So, with that said, I take any Bush statement about anything with a grain of salt. I do believe Sr. Did not lie when Sr. pitched us on the New World Order, that for sure seems to be playing out.

Sparky   SKELFLA ... I have read numerous articles over the years, that they want Iraq to be a "donar" country, as opposed to borrowing money from whatever entity that is willing to allow them to borrow...ie. world currency reserve...

SKELFLA   Sparky Ah sorry... Yes. Well then that would definitely fit into the theory. I will try to get you an invite into a discord channel ...where the members have verified everything I have said. Interested?

Sparky   SKELFLA sure...

SKELFLA   Sparky Okay I'll get on it... You see I enjoy theorising about the IQD unfortunately too many people here just don't get it. And they will continue to squabble over the most mundane b*... Never getting to the guts of the matter...

Sparky   Portmagaland ...making Col Powell the fall guy...

Portmagaland   Sparky Yep, Powell's not dumb, he was probably compensated

Red   Hello in Dinarland....been a reader of your chat room, but never posted.

Thought you might be interested to know.... the currency exchange office(Canadian), where I purchased iqd in the past and more recently, have not been able to receive any in the last 3 weeks.

They've tried to order from their broker, but it's not available, ...according to their office. At least, that's what they are telling me. Just thought you might want to know that tidbit. Cheers!

Sparky   Portmagaland ...maybe, but lost a lot of credibility...

Portmagaland   Red I'm going to check the the Washington Square Mall currency exchange right now.

Sparky   Portmagaland ...maybe, but lost a lot of credibility...

Portmagaland   Red I'm going to check the the Washington Square Mall currency exchange right now.

Deano   @Red. Appreciate that. But before you get attacked by some sharks is their any proof ? I mean this in respect. I know how some of these guys are lol.

Portmagaland   Sparky Not with the powers that hold all those summits, he probably gained more "street" cred with those folks.

Red   @Portmagaland yes would be curious to know. I still see it sold on US ebay.

Portmagaland   Red checking now

Dave   Red TRY toronto dinar exchange.....

Red   @Deano no proof...besides the receipts I have for purchase.I was trying to buy some more.....you know...as a speculative investment... :)

Portmagaland   Red https://order.ceifx.com/store/washington-square/currency/43-Iraq-Iraqi-Dinar

Deano   @Red. I get it. Just trying to help you out. But at least you can be honest about not having any proof.

Red   @Dave will check that one out. I'm in BC and the 3 exchange franchises were the only ones I knew of that didn't advertise they were selling it.

Portmagaland   That's where I buy in Portland Oregon metro and they still selling. I included the link, so you can check whenever

Portmagaland   They sell it, but they wont buy it back.

Dave   http://torontodinarexchange.com/   

Portmagaland   Same with Dong due to both being speculative investments

Deano   May get beat up for this but it's ok. Anyone here think this could be the month ? And if so, why?

Red   @Portmagaland Thx. US ->Can exchange rate is a little high for my budget though. If the $$ drops though...

Portmagaland   Dave Sweet Dave Canada is selling the Riyal still, good to know, just on case, I have to drive to Vancouver for some strange reason.

Portmagaland   Red who pays more for Dinars, Canadians or Americans?

Dave   Portmagaland pegged to usd

Red   @Portmagaland You'd definitely get more bang for your US bucks

Dave   25%

Portmagaland   Dave We pay less for something, yeaeaeaea

Red   @Portmagaland I was paying $1300 per 1M so about the same on US ebay sites with conversion.....though prices are going UP!

Dave   Red ouch.....

Dave   paid no more than700ish 10yrs ago ish

Red   @Dave Yup. but I didn't have to deal with customs or mailing and I had it in my hot little hands right away Lol

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Dave   live in BC

Portmagaland   1,048,000 IQD for 1,000.84 USD

Portmagaland   At that mall in the link above

Deano   I'm on ebay right now. You can get half a million for $580.00

Portmagaland   I should just buy from my spot and sell on ebay, but ebay taxes so not worth the hassle

Red   @Dave I'm a newbie in this speculative investing... I figured I'd give it a shot. Prices on ebay are going up fast.....possibly due to the news coming out of Iraq and supply vs demand

Dave   Red try the link i sent

Red   @Deano That's US$ add 30% for Canadians

Deano   @Red oh ok. Sorry didn't really realize that. Was gonna say that prices look the same to me.

Portmagaland   I just checked Ebay, funny on one seller, looks like they created a certificate of Authenticity with the computer, made me laugh.

Deano   @Portmagaland I seen that too.

Red   @Dave That toronto link...buy now button gets error on all 3 currencies showing

Dave   Hmmm......?

Portmagaland   Red Bummer maybe the Rial is illegal in Canada after all

Red   @Portmagaland Canada doesn't have sanctions against Iran, but US putting pressure on. I've bought some on ebay...but if they lop well ...I won't be out of pocket too much.

Portmagaland   Silver made a nice jump last Sunday, but it's still showing Fridays closing price?

Deano   So I'll ask this again. Anyone think that this month could be the month that @Baxter gets his dime?

Portmagaland   Deano I dont know about a dime, but a possible answer

Deano   Lay it on me

Portmagaland   If I felt stronger I'd go down in our favor the street to the mall and get another 250k

Deano   I'm thinking about purchasing another $50,000

Sparky   ...only risking 30% tops...imo...

Portmagaland   I'm looking to see what Trumps say on 9/11, there are rumors, but the 4th turned out to be a big letdown

Portmagaland   Sparky 30% tops? What do you mean?

Red   I will try again this week at local exchange to see if they received any more IQD, but from the sounds of the last phone call, they've been cut off.

 Wilder   Nickel im retiring. Comes in at 1 to 1. Might let wife retire

Sparky   Wilder ...lol...

Red   @Portmagaland 3 BOOMS supposedly for Sept 10th. Waiting for IMF to announce gold standard....

Portmagaland   I cant pay off my house at a nickel, but I'd still take it with a smile

Deano   @Wilder I can't retire at either one.

Portmagaland   Red I'm starting to question X22, why hasnt his channeled been pulled on YouTube like so many others?

Deano   Now 1 to 1 will pay off my home, student loans and buy new home. And maybe a new home and truck. Or new truck and new drum set. Can't make up my mind.lol

Portmagaland   Deano 1 to 1 buys me a banana plantation in Hawaii

Sparky   Deano ...new home in western Carolina hills ?

Deano   @Sparky at 1 to 1 no. That will buy my wife's new home here in Florida and leave me dreaming about my log cabin home in the mountains.

Red   @Portmagaland Don't know...could be attached to WH? ...don't watch it that often...too many other research tabs open. Watch Abel Danger.

Portmagaland   Red I watch Abel Danger, but I question their pitch on the Zim

Baxter    DID SOMEONE MENTION MY DIMES????

Deano   @Baxter I admit it was me.

Red   @Portmagaland I question everybody's pitch. Will wait and see.

Deano   @Baxter you say dime I say quarter. We'll split the difference lol

Baxter   This is Fact... 20 dollars of dimes..is ONE POUND.. One Million Dollars in Dimes... is 50,000 pounds... or A Semi Tractor Trailer Full...

Portmagaland   On a brighter not Portland PD raised one Antifa members house and the county DA just pressed charges against 13 more.

Red   @Portmagaland Hope they sweep up the mayor too. Office needs a good cleaning. Lol.

Portmagaland   So, my call scaring the mayor Wheeler of Portland, office and having them send a police officer to my house may have done the trick.

Red   @Portmagaland (thumbs up) Lol

Deano   Wouldn't do me any good to have a run in with any Antifa morons

Portmagaland   I told the cop, get Antifa off the streets and you wont hear from our side again and boom!

Sparky   Portmagaland ... yup, that would do it...

Portmagaland   The cop was a Marine, so we are brothers, I'm sure he told Mayor Wheeler I said get rid of Antifa, we are a national joke because of Wheekers lack of leadership

Sparky   Portmagaland ... social media will get them to whatever place, to do battle...

Portmagaland   With the recent arrest and then the 13 being charged here in Portland gives me hope that the commi's running shotgun in Portland are over

Portmagaland   The Money GPS says the Fed is going to go into negative interest rates, I wonder what that will do to silver?

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IQD Calls Chat Sunday Evening 9-1-19 Part 1 of 2

IQD Calls Chat Sunday Evening 9-1-19 Part 1 of 2

Dave ask google?

Baxter   I will

Dave   answers All my questions.......

Zig   Dave : Ask it if we will profit from this???

Dave   CBI has nEVER stated date or rate...so cant comment?

Dave   Google not GURU....

Dave   Zig CBI has stated when the situation is right......

Dave   Delete 3 Zeros, Restore the purchasing power...now the talk of coins is really all we have to run on.........?

Dave   oh and the going global part.....

Dave   coins at the nominal rate.........?

Dave   ...and no free float.......heard that numerous times

Dave   outside of that what more do we have to run on.....?

Zig   "Vizo" "Hi SKELFLA...what would you consider a "nominal" return as mentioned above?"

 SKELFLA    Zig yes zig

SKELFLA   Vizo something along the lines of a gradual increase no greater than a few basis points per annum at best... There may be the odd surge every few years but nothing earth shaking.

Dave   Zig Wheel barrows and the price of a coke come to mind?

Vizo   Would this return be able to be realised by the average investor...meaning someone like myself with no financial institution connections...I am not very familiar with basis points...could you help me understand what that would mean on 1M dinar so that I can multiply that by the amount I possess...thank you.

Dave   Vizo lol

Dave   SKELFLA Will we ever see coinage?

SKELFLA   Vizo Basis points are less than a percent. For example half a percent is 50basis points. Yes the average speculator would benefit from such an increase but nothing too substantial.

But a derivative that has been engineered to leverage even a 5 basis point increase could make hundreds or millions if not billions in gains...

A derivative can be leveraged and packaged in such a way a it is geared to make huge returns on even the slightest fluctuation irrespective if the currency is internationally accepted or not. Tie the derivative into a trading reserve for something like the belt & road initiative and the potential returns grow exponentially....

Dave   Sounds like KAP?

1 Sep 19, 01:42 PM SKELFLA   Dave no Kap doesn't see the big picture....

Dave   Coins in the picture? SKELFLA

SKELFLA   Despite Markz *** *** *** he is onto one thing there is a major shift in the global monetary season coming and probably sooner than most people think....

Its my opinion that some institutions are going to use some form of a dinar derivative to offset these changes ... What form that takes and the exact mechanics behind how that develops I do not know....

All I do know is these institutions are not in the habit of losing money and their returns are effectively guaranteed.

Vizo   Thank you SKELFLA...I guess its above me...just trying to figure out, based on what you are writing what it potentially means to the average person currently holding dinar...best scenario...as you see it..

Dave   SKELFLA Coinage in the picture?

SKELFLA   Dave Possibly.... I don't know. I suspect they could be as coins are an important part of Arab heritage the prophet himself had his own coins... So I could see a coin coming into play.

JoeSchmoe   this dude sounds more like sandyf than anyone else

Dave   SKELFLA Oh your on the premise no coins

SKELFLA   Vizo I'm hesitant to state a best case for the average investor... It will draw to much flak from the numerous clowns that visit this board.

Vizo   Okay SKEFLA..

Dave   JoeSchmoe No sense in going any further......

JoeSchmoe   Dave am I right

 JoeSchmoe   just here to try and create doubt

JoeSchmoe   when, in fact, it creates more positivity for me

 SKELFLA   Vizo You see Dave's last comments ? Perfect case in point.

Zig   Vizo : I consider all scenarios....that is why nobody who comes in here ever upsets me.....to me this is no sure thing.....speculative.....so I will hold on and wait......

 JoeSchmoe    This guy has responded to questions the EXACT way SandyF responds to them

Vizo   Thank you...SKEFLA...sorry the rest of us can't have this conversation...

JoeSchmoe   Vizo just don't make any decisions on what to do with your dinar based on what this guy tells you

Vizo   Thank you Zig...    Thank you JoeSchmoe...

SKELFLA   Vizo There is one left field option for the average investor .... Its a long shot but something to consider ...remember its a long shot but the recent comments by the outgoing Governor of the BOE made some recent statements that lessened the odds a little bit.

The BEST case scenario would be for the IQD to become fully exchangeable for the EDINAR... Then the average investor could potentially see some significant returns...

 SKELFLA   Vizo no problem all is good. And contrary to what these clowns are saying I'm not advising you to buy or sell dinar. I'm just telling you what I know which is a heck of a lot more than the majority of people on this board... As I've stated before I'm neutral on the long term prospects of the Dinar.

But I am confident of one thing and that is there will not be no overnight RV. Anyone who believes that is just naive ( being polite) or a scammer guru.

Doug_W   SKELFLA there are many of them out there 4 sure

Vizo   Thank you SKELFLA...not looking for alot... understanding this is speculative...

SKELFLA    Vizo very much so... Life is one big speculation. Its people like you who I hope do very well.... Most of the scamming gurus don't even hold currency. Read the court transcript during TNT Tony's sentencing he admitted under oath he held NO FOREIGN CURRENCIES!!!

Vizo   Hi Young_SC....just for bringing his point of view forward...I appreciate SKELFLA's point of view...thank you...

SKELFLA   Vizo You're welcome... And I appreciate your courtesy when questioning me. I hope you do well!

Zig   Courtesy....have not seen much of it in this room of late.....

SKELFLA   Zig Lol very true!

Young_SC   Vizo PMVizoWould this return be able to be realised by the average investor...meaning someone like myself with no financial institution connections...I am not very familiar with basis points...could you help me understand what that would mean on 1M dinar so that I can multiply that by the amount I possess...thank you.

Vizo   Thank you for your patience...SKEFLA...

SKELFLA    Vizo Out of interest what denomination bills do you hold and what year? I don't need to know how much..just the year and denomination

Dave   SKELFLA    i got a boat load of 50s

Vizo   SKELFLA...mine are all 25K...I will look for the year...I have to dig them out...be right back...thanks...

Dave   SKELFLA Will sell them cheap to your investors

Dave   no premium added lol

Truthseeker99   Vizo year doesn't matter

SKELFLA   Vizo I ask because the institutional transactions are very particular about the denomination and print run (year) specifically pre a certain year. May not mean anything but nonetheless its an interesting prerequisite.

Xbruster69   https://www.banknotenews.com/files/tag-iraq.php  check here on note valitity..

Vizo   SKELFLA...thanks..have them out in front of me...sorry...I guess I'm missing where the date is...

Truthseeker99   Vizo date is in ARABIC!!!!!!!

SKELFLA       I can read Arabic try to take a picture of one of your notes... Arabic numerals are very similar to English numerals ...

SKELFLA   Vizo  .. Don't worry too much 25k notes are a good start.

Vizo    Hi SKELFLA...but...I bought the majority of my currency in 2012 if that helps..

SKELFLA   Vizo Not really there is a certain printing period that for some reason is a prerequisite...

Vizo   Okay SKELFLA...I took a picture of one note front and back how do I upload it for you to see?

SKELFLA   Vizo good question... I don't want to give out my email address for these clowns... Let me open a new email address and I will give you that later .... Next time you're on let me know.

SKELFLA    I enjoy answering polite questions by people who have the courtesy of being respectful...

larrykn    GA all   are we talking about our lovely gurus again lol

new   Dave..........agreed. There are other areas to pay attention to as well

larrykn    I found its better to go find your own news and make your own mind up as to what is going on, I don't listen to any of them , good or bad

Dave   larrykn WORDS direct from CBI?

larrykn   well that is one place I read :)

SKELFLA    larrykn makes sense. Seems a logical starting point.

Dave   then cvomes the spin

larrykn   I've learned a long time ago that is the only way to keep your sanity

Deano   @SKELFLA I'm calling you out

Deano   No response???

SKELFLA   Deano Go ahead...I'm waiting

 Deano   I've sit back long enough reading what you have to say. Bashing other people while you're flapping your gums. I've seen a few people asking you to back up who you are and what you spew out. And you've done nothing but send Baxter a resume.

SKELFLA   Deano Not correct, I've offered to provide more on numerous occasions. But to people I can pallet ...

EricB   SKELFLA If you come across additional information regarding the derivatives or the convertibility of IQD to edinar please share. Thank you.

SKELFLA   EricB The derivative play will be a closed shop event only accessible to those institutions who have been behind there structuring and implementation.

The theory regarding covering fiat dinar into EDINAR was just a theory I gave when a poster requested a "best case scenario" although as I stated preciously it became less far fetched after the outgoing Governor of the BOE made those comments recently.

Deano   Provided by email with the promise they don't give that info out.

EricB    SKELFLA Understood, thanks again.

SKELFLA   Deano I'm neither interested nor do I care about what you think. You are just your typical delusional dinarian who has little if any knowledge on how things work on a macro level ... I suspect you have little understanding of even a foot in reality. You will be ignored from now on.

mod   Deano Refrain from bashing and name calling, Respect gets Respect.

SKELFLA    *their structuring

EricB   SKELFLA Do you think US banks would be one of those institutions involved in the derivatives?

Deano   Running away just like you said Jeff was doing. You can suspect all you want. You can assume all you want. But I accomplished what I set out to do. So how about you just disappear or start your own chat room so you can have whoever else wants to be just like you.

SKELFLA   EricB No problem and in the unlikely event I get more info I will post. But my understanding is these trades are earmarked for completion before the end of the 1st Qtr of 2020 at which time I'm very confident they will have been made public ..

And thus there will be no disputing them or the reasoning behind them... The only thing I think that will be up for debate will be how much of a profit the active participants made... But they will be substantial.

Deano   @Mod, I can't and won't respect anyone who won't and doesn't have respect for others in this chat room.  But I will keep the name calling on the down low. At least I'll respect the rules.

EricB   SKELFLA Interesting stuff

SKELFLA    EricB I do think they are ... Maybe not banks in the traditional sense of the word but financial institutions nonetheless. So far I can only confirm the geographic location of the ones I am aware of, in that I have first hand knowledge of and they are located in the Far East, Europe and as I preciously stated ( At least I think I did) I know of a single Israeli institution that is involved.

EricB    SKELFLA JPMorgan Chase would seem like a potential player, they have their hands in everything it seems.

SKELFLA    EricB Saying that I am aware of one American trade which wasn't a bank but very much a major US Institution. Whether that successful transaction was for the same reason as the ongoing transactions involving the other institutions and I can not answer that. All I know is it happened as I had an associate present during the negotiations.

SKELFLA   EricB Yes, but they are a bank. The one US institution I am aware of is not a bank. But if other US banks and or institutions were to be involved I would say JP Morgan would be a good bet!

Sparky    SKELFLA ...hedge fund ?

EricB   SKELFLA Thanks, I'm out. Gotta do some hurricane stuff.

SKELFLA   Sparky No. In sorry I new this would open me up for abuse... I won't add more than I already have... Other than it was not a hedge fund. And it was a direct negotiation between two counter parties.

 SKELFLA   One in the US the other obviously in Iraq.... I'm out.

Sparky   SKELFLA ... Israeli outfit partaking is certainly interesting...

Zig   SKELFLA : You lost me somewhere along the way....lol....what is the main purpose behind all these so-called trades that you keep mentioning??

 Sparky   ...as Iraq and Iran are Shiite brothers...

SKELFLA   Sparky Yes, but the Israelis did not pay as much a premium as the other institutions and it was for a lesser amount. Large but no where as significant as the other institutions.

 SKELFLA   Sparky 100% yes. To the Shiite question.

SKELFLA   Zig Come on ZIG I think I've been pretty clear ...I have theories most of which I have covered here at one time or the other.

Sparky   SKELFLA ...silk road initiative derivative theory also intrigues me...

SKELFLA   Sparky You would be surprised how close KSA and Qatar are with the Israelis..

SKELFLA   Sparky It intrigues me too! Lol

Deano   How close ???

SKELFLA   "A poor mans reserve currency" for a specific economic group !

 SKELFLA   Sparky I have to admit when all of this finally comes out in the wash in the not too distant future and if one of my theories turns out to be correct ... I'm going to enjoy rubbing it in the noses of a few individuals here! Lol

Deano   So I'm going to assume this SKELFLA individual is a woman???

Sparky   SKELFLA ... just not sure how , or why we would be shut out on the play...small potatoes, probably don't even care one way or another...imo

Sparky   SKELFLA ... I don't really understand derivatives...

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IQD Calls Chat Early Sunday 9-1-19 Part 2 of 2

 IQD Calls Chat Early Sunday 9-1-19 Part 2 of 2

madness   it seems as of late, there are 2 sides on the fence, one side says this is going this way and a profit will be made and then there is the other side just flat out saying this is never going to go and no profit to be made, its getting down to the wire this year to find out who is really going to be correct

Zig   Mary of "My Ladies" has been in chat before....I will email her and invite her to return and discuss her latest musings.....

xyz   Zig she got a very strong opinion.

madnessmy friend who got me into this says, yeah there going to delete the 3 zeros, but its going to be IN country only, hopefully for our sake, a dinar equals a dinar

madness   no matter what the rate

Zig   "xyz" "SKELFLA is Sam I Am in disguise"..................Well we could compare fingerprints I suppose.....LOL

SKELFLA   Zig If that's the best they can claim then good luck with that I'm not Sam.

SKELFLA   madness " Drop the ZEROS in country only " ?!?! LOL Now that's a stretch!

madness   or maybe what they are trying to say cause they also word it " lifting the 3 zeros" is getting the bigger notes off the streets and going to smaller denoms

SKELFLA   madness who ever this person is has a sound theory. And just imagine if you have wrapped a ton of IQD into a complex trading derivatives prior to its redomination effectively protecting those holdings from the subsequent LOP... Imagine the return you would get! Think about that!

madness   well lets look at it at another angle, iraq owes US trillions for the war, one might surmise that do you think the US treasury who is holding alot of dinar for oil credits to pay for the war is just going to let iraq just say ok, guess what uncle sam your 25000 dinars are now worth 25 dinars now come get some oil credits.

SKELFLA   madness First of all, there is no such thing as oil credits. That is a complete myth. I have traded in crude for over 10 years as a side venture. Oil credits is a total fantasy propagated by gurus.

Let me repeat that THEY are a myth. Secondly, whose to say the UST (Assuming they hold IQD) which is very much up for debate isn't going to use a similar derivative to hedge their holdings against a LOP...

You see its always the big boys such as the institutions who are always miles ahead than the average speculator and they have the financial tools and mechanisms to leverage their positions in ways the average person can't even comprehend.

Zig   SKELFLA : Have you heard the rumor that President Trump has a lot of Dinar??......Billions.....

madness   well bush did say there are oil credits and he also said iraq oil will pay for the war, I remember that day cause I was cussing my * off and a gallon of gas was at $5.65 a gallon, that was loooong before I ever heard of what a dinar is. plus the CBI has stated they are not going to do a lop, they are going to due a fixed rate and peg.

xyz   Zig hehehe scammer can distort fingers linings ... just thinking out loud

Zig   xyz : LOL....you are something else.....

SKELFLA   madness wow! Literally everything you just posted is a complete myth propagated by gurus. Bush never said that about oil credits and the like! NEVER

xyz   Zig do you disagree with my hypothesis?

Zig   xyz : Ya think??.....LOL

SKELFLA   Zig Yes, which is another guru myth... And even it was true its not a good sign contrary to popular belief Trump is not an investment genius he is quite the opposite...

madness   umm yes he did, cause I was so broke I remember it on tv, I had only enough money to get 1 gallon of gas in my car so hell yes he said that, just thinking about it pisses me off to this day, thats why I posted it

madness   plus how else is iraq going to pay us back for the war, with there good looks?

xyz   SKELFLA are you a genius too like Trump?

SKELFLA   madness Your memory does not serve you correctly. If he has said such a thing (which he didn't) it would be pegged on every dinar board on the internet! Which it isn't ! Be used he never said that.

madness   one thing is for sure, the little guy as is us dinar holders always gets screwed maybe this one might work out or not

SKELFLA    I'm no genius and neither is Trump.

madness   well we would have to take a time machine but I remember him saying that in the news interview while im cussing up a storm cause he said oh gas will be 99j cents gallon, yeah dam politicians

SKELFLA   madness Yes that is true... That's why I believe whether the institutions are doing unfortunately won't translate into a profit for the average speculator...I hope I'm wrong but history suggests otherwise.

madness   well guess thats why they call this a speculative investment worse case we at least would get our money back, as in break even

xyz   SKELFLA here are someone of the OPPOSITE of genius - which one describe ya? goon, dummy, blockhead, meathead, fool, jerk, ...

SKELFLA   madness It's called "selective memory" we all suffer from it from time to time... You could swear he said it but he didn't.

madness   no I have selective memory when im drunk, I was not drunk I was pissed, I know what he said. plus maybe if the dinar does not work out maybe in time the dong will raise in value and we might get lucky there

SKELFLA   As soon as anyone claims Trump is playing 4D chess i discount everything they say from that moment on. In no liberal but Trump is well out of his depth...

xyz   SKELFLA 9-1-2019 Newshound Guru Jeff if they're telling you two currencies will coexist that means they stand valid and legit...it doesn't mean a 25k became a 25...

They flat out told you the two currencies will coexist. That means the large notes are still valid. And the small denoms after the rate change are still valid. There is no other direction you can go with this...because they're different sized notes that have different values.

A 25k note still is a 25k...a 25 note is just that, it's a 25. There is no grey areas...as an example, if the USD value...was $3 then it's very simple. A 25k times $3 is now worth $75,000 and a 25 times 3 is worth $75. It's that simple.

Wilder      LINK 

SKELFLA   xyz LMAO Jeff is so wrong in so many ways I couldn't begin to pull apart his litany of uneducated b*.

Matt   Fake news CNN nuff said

xyz   SKELFLA b*?

xyz   Z is watching CNN --- my mind is no faked

madness   I think there was an article put out by iraq gov. that the notes would co exist for 10 years, you too remember alot of iraq's have those larger notes buried in there mattress so its a transition to get the larger notes turned in and out with the smaller

madness   thats not going to happen over night

1 Sep 19, 11:19 AM xyz   "One day you will kiss a man you can't breathe without and find that breath is of little consequence." -Karen

SKELFLA   madness I still think when this is all said and done people will find out that certain institutions did make significant profits from speculating on the dinar but these profits were generated through the adoption of complex derivatives which protected their holdings from a lop. Subsequently resulting in huge gains. You heard it here first!

xyz   SKELFLA It is illegal to wear a fake moustache that causes laughter in church. http://www.dumblaws.com/laws/united-states/alabama

SKELFLA   xyz The fact you reference Jeff is enough for me to discount everything you post. Jeff literally hasn't got a clue about even the most basic economic principles.

xyz   SKELFLA forks luv motivator but sternly reject naysayer - go figure

madness   well im not into derivatives and this does not have to be complex, matter of fact it might be simple, either they devalue our 25k notes by knocking off the zeros or we get what price a dinar per dinar is dont think anyone can foresee what the real outcome will be, one can only hope it works out good for the little holders too

madness   plus you have to remember in the grand scheme of things, there are not that many dinar holders, gee maybe 10 million out of a country with 350 million thats a small percentage in the big picture

Matt   SKELFLA All you say is your opinion and speculation mostly

SKELFLA   Matt correct with one exception I have first hand knowledge of large ongoing institutional transactions involving the IQD.

So I'm in a far better position to speculate on what the end game is. Which is a lot more than the majority of people propagating economical and mathematical fallacies such a Jeff and others when it comes to the Dinar.

madness   funny if I had first hand knowledge of large ongoing companies that was doing that, I would not be in a chat room talking about it, I would be getting inside intel and getting paid big time,

xyz   WHAT IF SKELFLA first hand knowledge of large ongoing institutional transactions involving the IQD and ..

Matt   SKELFLA Ok so you are speculating what is your agenda you sound like you have better things to do than be here he obviously you have some sort of agenda?

SKELFLA   madness I've already stated on several occasions why I'm here... And I do get paid from these transactions.. The INTEL facet is out with my remit.

Dave   Good Morning all.

madness   well I dont watch jeff I try and see what the CBI and GOI are saying and go from there, and thats ruff enough as it is. key points, iraq is out of for the most part all sanctions, iraq wants on the global market, iraq is a very or like ahbai I spelled that wrong, WE ARE THE RICHEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD, and last iraq wants to go international. now hopefully with some luck we might get a crumb or two

SKELFLA   Matt if i do have agenda then its exposing idiots on both sides of the spectrum as from Sam, to Kap through to Jeff they all have it wrong some more than others.

Dave   SKELFLA add me to your list

SKELFLA   madness The only thing I can add to that is that I am a proponent of the theory that Iraq has the largest and best quality reserves of crude in the world. Far greater than Saudi and obviously their crude is of far better quality than Venezuela produces. If that helps.

SKELFLA   Dave What list is that dave? :)

Dave   you idiot list

Dave   you

SKELFLA   Dave Copy that !

Matt   No agenda? Well you're spending a lot of time here on your weekend. lol you must have a boring life

madness   lol an idiot list never heard of someone having that before

SKELFLA   Matt I do currently ...I'm in Ecuador closing on a petroleum project... I don't dispute that its boring! Hence my presence here!

madness   and its not just there oil, hell they have a crap load of gold, they can produce tons of wheat, other sectors, if they could just get the crap together, then yeah I could see a profit for dinar holders small or big

xyz   SKELFLA 9-1-2019 Newshound/Intel Guru Mnt Goat Article: "NEWS: ON IRAQ'S ACCESSION TO THE WORLD TRADE ORGANIZATION (WTO)." Yes, Iraq will need a currency to join the WTO. Oh – but they have a currency now. But can it be used easily in trade? NO! That is the problem here.

This is why they need to reinstate it. So they DO NOT need to be on FOREX but it sure helps in trading globally to be able to tie into the currency exchanges electronically to get the current exchange rate for the conversion...

xyz   SKELFLA another oilman guru

madness   here is a FACT, not you nor jeff nor any idiot guru, all of us here know how this is going to play out, that could be a safe assumption

madness   the only thing we have to concern ourselves with is making sure baxter gets his dime, he gets his dime we all get dimes

SKELFLA   madness The gold theory if true means nothing... Ask your self why Fiji has one of the most valuable currencies in the world but no resources of any consequence! Why is that ? You don't need to be an economist to know and it pretty much puts everything in perspective when it comes to the underlying theme of why currencies are valued and how they obtain that value.... I'll leave it to you to research.

Dave   all we have are the words from CBI..... nothing more

Dave   no rate or date......

madness   ok well iraq was pegged to the british pound at 3 bucks, iraq has held give or take a 3 dollar value against the US dollar, oops then war broke out, devalue, so it might be safe to say at some point they will hopefully reach that value again

xyz   Dave Finance Committee that's NOT cbi

Dave   Finance Committee runs CBI

Dave   ?

Dave   oh oh missed rthart boat too

SKELFLA   madness Use Fiji as your template its not hard to ascertain why there currency is valuable then extrapolate that to Iraq and you will realise why it's a mathematical and economical impossibility to have an overnight RV of the Dinar, or Domg and don't get me started with the b* about officially demonetised ZIM notes.

madness really thought the CBI is the central bank of iraq and is an independent body

Dave   SKELFLA Not Russia Turkey Mexico Belarus Iran?

madness   I have no zero faith in the zim, but fiji is a small island, iraq is or could be a wealthy power house, so one might not have nothing to do with the other, iraq might be a different animal

SKELFLA   madness You just don't get it... You don't know the basics on how currencies obtain their value... Use the Fiji dollar case study as a reference point... It clearly shows you why Iraq will never achieve even parity with the dollar unless they lop and reduce their MONEY supply. Sorry to burst your bubble but this is macro economics 101....

madness   and as far as the dong is concerned, the US treasury is on there arse for having such a low value on there currency so we will see how that plays out

madness   ok well then skefla we should just say hell with it break out the monopoly board get drunk off our arses and play with dinar and dong notes

Dave   madness bingo

madness   I get the car piece on the board

Dave   i want Park ave and Board walk

madness   umm no dave thats a first come first serve basis and dont be rigging the dice either

SKELFLA   There are certain factions in this world who are on the verge of making some serious money on the IQD.. Unfortunately it is my believe that this "event" will not translate into the average investor / speculator making anything but a nominal return. We will see..

The good news is I also believe this event will take place by of before the 1st QTR 2020. So we don't have that long to see who was right.

Dave   SKELFLA yes in Reno

xyz   Dave Nope --- cbi does not report to finance committee --- Z's opinion   Its like claiming our congress run UST/FED

Dave   SParky you need any Mustard yet?

Dave   xyz good you lost me for a second

xyz   Dave hopefully shall find sooner LoL .... cbi is not run by finance committe

Dave   xyz i agree

madness   well it could go this way, 25k holds is value pay day, 3 zeros off the 25k valued at $3 will then not so good, or we can create a new monopoly game with zim iqd dong and have a kick butt board game, well call it gurus monopoly edition, well have to have more get out of jail free card though

Dave   do not collect 200 dollars......

madness   no dave lol do not collect 25000 dinars

madness   well have to have a space on there it will be kap ave. thats were you lose all the zeros and your bankrupt and have to give up park place

Dave   madness lol

Dave   I knew this Dinart was going to be good fort something

jsst  Dinar Round Table Call -- What happened to the Info and the Call they do ??? - Please Reply

madness   I think one of there members had a heart attack or something serious medical

Doug_W   jsst because some people became mean and demanding "K" suspended them until further notice

 madness   well thats good to hear, they are pretty grounded in this thing

Truthseeker99   xyz I see the MOD is back to selective banning. Rules are only for some. You can get called names in here but can't respond back. Hmmmmm Well if it gets me banned so be it. I don't take * from LOSERS who have no proof. Just another delusional guru who wants to feel important! She'll never be people see thru the b*!

jsst   Bring them back...Bring Them Back... All Information is worth Having.

1 Sep 19, 12:14 PM Dave   With no proof or ammo just yadda yadda....empty words to me

https://www.iqdcalls.com/chat/

IQD Calls Chat Early Sunday 9-1-19 Part 1 of 2

IQD Calls Chat Early Sunday  9-1-19 Part 1 of 2

Xyz   9-1-2019 Newshound Guru Kaperoni I still do not believe the CBI will make any monetary change until after the economic laws are in place and the budget is passed for 2020.

One thing I'm very certain is Article VIII is coming because that has been well laid out in the IMF Art IV Consultations and more importantly Iraq wants to activate the TIFA Agreement with the United States. Freedom of movement of capital is a necessity.

Xyz   The Central Bank adopts the international rating agencies classification of Iraqi banks

https://baghdadtoday.news/news/94739/0

 The Central Bank decided, (September 1, 2019) the adoption of international rating agencies classification of Iraqi banks.

A statement of the bank, "The Board of Directors of the Central Bank of Iraq decided to adopt rating agencies that have criteria (External Credit Assessment Institution) (ECAI) emanating from the decisions of Basel, to classify financial institutions in Iraq."

"Agencies are: Standard & Poor , Moody's , Fitch Ratings , Capital Intelligence, " he said.

He stressed that "the bank will consider requests made by other rating agencies."

The bank required the availability of credit rating from one of the four agencies above for banks operating in Iraq that wish to conduct the following banking operations:

- Fixing credits for exporting Iraqi crude oil through the Oil Marketing Company ( SOMO ).

- Opening government documentary credits up to $ 50 million.

- Issuing and accepting letters of guarantee for the benefit of government departments.

The Board of Directors of the bank pointed out that "this decision is effective in 2020 when banks complete their readiness and receive a credit rating that qualifies them to practice the above mentioned banking operations at any time."

 xyz   The Central Bank approves international rating agencies to classify banks operating in Iraq   https://cbi.iq/news/view/1248  

September 01, 2019   The Central Bank approves international rating agencies to classify banks operating in Iraq

The Board of Directors of the Central Bank of Iraq (CBI) has decided to adopt the rating agencies that have the criteria of (External Credit Assessment Institution) (ECAI) emanating from the decisions of Basel, to classify the financial institutions in Iraq, namely :

Standard & Poor   Moody's   Fitch Ratings   Capital Intelligence

He stressed that the bank will consider the requests made by other rating agencies, and that it will require the availability of credit rating from one of the four agencies above for banks operating in Iraq, which wish to conduct the following banking operations :

- Fixing credits for exporting Iraqi crude oil through the Oil Marketing Company (SOMO).

- Opening government documentary credits up to $ 50 million .

- Issuing and accepting letters of guarantee for the benefit of government departments .

The Bank's Board of Directors also noted that this decision is effective in 2020 when banks complete their readiness and receive a credit rating that qualifies them to practice the above mentioned banking operations at any time.   Central Bank of Iraq   information Office September 1, 2019

xyz   Deputy: Parliament intends to legislate controversial laws with Erbil to zero crises https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ar&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ikhnews.com%2Findex.php%3Fpage%3Darticle%26id%3D197949&sandbox=1

xyz   Woman taking her horse on a US plane LINK

SKELFLA   What a coincidence that Dinar Investor(Jeff) posts a video claiming a currency swap is the answer to the big flaw in his theory about how an overnight RV is both economically and mathematically will take place despite it being an utter IMPOSSIBILITY.

He used this after I sighted currency swaps between China and some nations. Wow stupidity has no limits with this guy. This is NOT HOW currency swaps work!!!! This is mind bogglingly

SKELFLA   Crazy! https://youtu.be/h65CEvxzs9g

SKELFLA   This is why this community will never come to a viable theory on the future prospects of the IQD. Because people like this have zero understanding of the mechanics behind currency. Jeff just went to the top of the lost when it comes to absolutely outlandish statements that have zero basis in reality.

SKELFLA   *list... Top of the list! This video makes ** look insightful! Lol

Whitelions   The Central Bank approves international rating agencies to classify banks operating in Iraq https://cbi.iq/news/view/1248

Baxter    Now a cat 5 hurricane....winds 160 mph

Baxter   that will devastate the bahamas..

Doug_W   we here in central Fl really dodged a bullet

Baxter   it has to turn first...im praying

Doug_W   http://www.myfoxhurricane.com/storm3_models.html

 Baxter   winds at 160... there wont be anything left standing..

Doug_W   the two most reliable models both have it off fl coast but Ga and SC might be in trouble

Doug_W   Baxter and its there for almost 48 hrs too

Baxter   thats whats bad

Baxter   Zig... I see Jeff was in here.... I fell asleep.... oh well

Zig   I will send Jeff (Dinar Investor) another email...... will advise him to return when SKELFLA isn't in the room.....LOL

Baxter   that would be a good idea from the way it looks last night

Zig   It was wild....lol....like the old days before all you DU peeps came.....

Whitelions   Baxter Good morning you can help stop SKELFLA tieraid and just shut hi or her up by posting the videos he clam's to have sent you proving everything he clam's he is . Do you have them?

Zig   I think he sent Baxter his resume.....

Baxter   Whitelions he did send me his resume... I havent seen any such videos

1 Baxter   He asked me not to share it... so I wont...till I hear different

Whitelions   Baxter Thanks so anybody can write a resume now we have proof he/ she is just another fake

Baxter   whether true of fake.. I have no way in knowing....

JoeSchmoe   Whitelions Baxter what is this guy claiming to be?

Baxter   all I want is my dam Dime

JoeSchmoe   as indicated by his resume

Whitelions   JoeSchmoe an insider at the cbi clams to have given speaches to them

Baxter   JoeSchmoe I dont have a clue who he is claiming to be...

JoeSchmoe   Whitelions oh yea, I read that :laugh didn't think he was serious

JoeSchmoe   how outragous is that

Baxter   Whitelions really? well.. I have no clue

Whitelions   Baxter yes and so much more lol

Baxter   yes.. I read what went on in here last night...

JoeSchmoe   think about this then.....IF IF IF he IS what he claims to be, then why would he come in here to try and discourage us??? HUMMMMM?

Whitelions   Baxter he clams the cbi has no idea what they are doing

Baxter   Whitelions I hope they do

JoeSchmoe   so either this really is going go pop soon, or this guy is the newest baffoon at this chat

Whitelions   Baxter they do they are bankers first and last

Baxter   Im sure

Whitelions   ok back to work bbl

JoeSchmoe   why would someone come in HERE to gain info on what is going on with this? We are all just specuaators

JoeSchmoe   real info

spankie    skelfla said that the cbi is not run as well as the oil sector

spankie   I believe the person is telling the truth but everyone here last night was tearing the person down- skelfla prolly wont come back- can u blame them? If that person has inside info on this I would like to know---

spankie   claiming to have insider info on large blocks of iqd sales -- hmmm- like to see what pays out

Matt   Remember MR all CAPS skelfla saud it was all hix opinion and he is jut Speculating

Zig   spankie : "skelfla prolly wont come back"...............Oh I am sure he'll be back.....he has thick skin from what I have observed....

Zig   Hi "wdave1"......long time no see.....

JoeSchmoe   I don't believe this SKEFLA person is who he claims to be. Why in the world would anyone in that position come in here? What do we know that he wouldn't??? Us a litle bit of common sense

JoeSchmoe   prolly just some random person trying to mess with people

JoeSchmoe   you wouldn't believe the lengths some people would go to in order to mess with them

SKELFLA   Baxter appreciate you honouring our agreement. My assumption about you was correct. To the others I never claimed to have sent videos to Baxter. I stated that Baxter could contact me and I would provide further verification if he wanted. Pretty simple really.

 larrykn   Think tanks says Iraqi gov't relying on fragile Parliament https://www.thebaghdadpost.com/en/Story/43865/Think-tanks-says-Iraqi-gov-t-relying-on-fragile-Parliament

SKELFLA   Matt Im not speculating about large transfers of IQD.... I know that as fact. I'm speculating about the reasoning behind these transfers.

larrykn   Head of pro-Iran militia threatens Americans in Iraq https://www.thebaghdadpost.com/en/Story/43853/Head-of-pro-Iran-militia-threatens-Americans-in-Iraq

Tebow   Anyone can write whatever they want in a resume. Means nothing here when your afraid to show any proof to ones claims. A resume is proof of nothing!

larrykn   Oil: More than 111 million barrels of Iraq's oil exports for The Month of August

Economy News _ Baghdad   Iraq's oil exports for August amounted to more than 111 million barrels, the Oil Ministry said Sunday, citing revenues of more than $6 billion.

"The total oil exports for August, according to the preliminary statistics issued by the Iraqi oil marketing company Somo, amounted to 111 million 706,000 and 151 barrels," said Oil Ministry spokesman Assem Jihad in a statement received by Economy News,

adding that "the total oil exports for the month of August, according to the preliminary statistics issued by the Iraqi oil marketing company Sumo, amounted to 111 million 706 thousand and 151 barrels,"

pointing out that "revenues from these Exports amounted to $6.341 million and $553,000, while the average price per barrel was $56,770."

"The total amount of crude oil exported last August from oil fields in central and southern Iraq amounted to 107 million, 520,000 and 44 barrels,

while kirkuk fields through the port of Ceyhan amounted to 3 million, 253,000 and 665 barrels,

while the quantities exported from the field of Ceyhan amounted to 3 million, 253,000 and 665 barrels, while the quantities exported from the field of Ceyhan amounted to 3 million  253 ,000 and 665 barrels,

while the quantities exported from the field Qayyara is 928,963 barrels, while the quantities exported to Jordan amounted to 3,479 barrels."

larrykn   He pointed out that "the total daily rate of exports was 3 million and 603 thousand barrels, where the daily rate of export from basra ports was 3 million and 468 thousand barrels, and from Ceyhan the daily average was 105 thousand barrels, while the daily average of qayyara field was 30 thousand barrels and the daily rate exported to Jordan was 0.112 barrels."

Iraq exports most of the crude oil from the southern ports of Basra, and some quantities from the northern port of Kirkuk oil fields. http://economy-news.net/content.php?id=17622

larrykn   Report: Cost of living in Switzerland 200% higher than In Iraq

Money and business   Economy News _ Baghdad   A report published on the website "Nombio", which deals with the standard of living of the countries of the world, revealed that the cost of living in Switzerland is 200% higher than in Iraq.

According to the latest update in August, "the cost of living in Switzerland is 210.42% higher than in Iraq for all cities," the report said, adding that "this percentage did not take into account the cost of rent."

"The rent in Switzerland is 352.35 percent higher than in Iraq," he said.

"The cost of living in the Swiss city of Geneva is 188.04% higher than in Baghdad, and the cost of living in the Swiss city of Zurich is 200 percent higher than in Baghdad," the report said.

Nombio is one of the sites launched in 2009 and is considered a source by many international newspapers and magazines including BBC, Time, The Forex, Forbes, The Economist, Business Insider, San Francisco Chronicle, New York Times, The Telegraph, The Edge, The Sydney Morning Herald, For China Daily, The Washington Post, USA Today and dozens of other websites and media. http://economy-news.net/content.php?id=17621

larrykn   have a good day all

SKELFLA   Tebow That she did. And she was correct.

SKELFLA   Zig ZIG if you arrange a discussion between Kap and Buff head Jeff I give you my word I will stay out of it. I don't agree with everything Kap concludes nevertheless he has enough in his repertoire to put Jeff and his moronic theories firmly to bed!

Zig   SKELFLA : I told Kaperoni that Jeff is here now....lol....we'll see.....

spankie   SKELFLA hang in there - this is a tough crowd

spankie   Zig that was some chat last night - WOW

spankie   SKELFLA do not sink to lower levels

Zig   spankie : Yup....wild.....lol

SKELFLA   spankie Like Baxter you seem a reasonably rounded individual... You're welcome to contact me offline.

spankie   sam i am and kap get attacked in all the time- why they come back - dunno

Tebow   ;love

Zig   Tebow : Now that's nice....lol

SKELFLA   spankie They are both insightful individuals... But I believe they are equally wrong in their conclusions.

spankie   u r right- we all have opinions- but good contacts – no

Xyz   Tebow 9-1-2019 Newshound Guru Kaperoni I still do not believe the CBI will make any monetary change until after the economic laws are in place and the budget is passed for 2020. One thing I'm very certain is Article VIII is coming because that has been well laid out in the IMF Art IV Consultations and more importantly Iraq wants to activate the TIFA Agreement with the United States. Freedom of movement of capital is a necessity.

madness   dont know if anyone has read this from iqd chats buts its most dis concerning https://www.iqdcalls.com/ladies.html  if there is any validity to this were screwed. on the flip side the country she refers too does not have the wealth that iraq has and nor do they owe us oil credits.

xyz   madness she never been right ... was preaching that stuff years back ... used to have CC. She is just an opinionated dinarian ... doesn't qualify as guru in Z's book

madness   ok well thats good to know

https://www.iqdcalls.com/chat/

IQD Calls Chat With Dinar Investor Jeff 8-31-19

IQD Calls Chat With Dinar Investor Jeff  8-31-19

Xyz   Zig Who is @Jeff.... a guru or deep rooted source?

Zig   xyz : a Guru but more grounded than most.....IMO.....lol

Zig   @Dinar Investor: Is that you, Jeff??

Dinar Investor   It is I.

Dinar Investor   Where's my BFF Kaperoni?

Tebow   Dinar Investor he selling his $9.95 RV notification package

SKELFLA   Dinar Investor Jeff, I have corrected several of your videos which you subsequently withdrew... Yet never acknowledged that they were patently incorrect.

xyz   Dinar Investor Jeff?

Zig   Dinar Investor :Welcome

Dinar Investor    how are you guys

missme   Dinar Investor Kap is a floater....

Tebow   Dinar Investor like your calls

Dinar Investor   thanks

Zig   Dinar Investor This is Jeff who does these videos https://www.iqdcalls.com/Dinar-Investor.html

Dinar Investor   Ive seen Kaps posts for many years and not real fond of his work.

Tebow   Zig duh!

Dinar Investor   doesn't back his claims with facts

missme   Floating the currency is downright silly...

Dinar Investor   Iraq will be structred like kuwait pegged to the SDR basket and the rate will be market driven

Zig   Dinar Investor : I hope Kaperoni comes in sometime while you are here....would be fun....lol

SKELFLA   Dinar Investor But Jeff, you have taken down several videos after I highlighted that they were patently incorrect...do you remember?

SKELFLA   Dinar Investor Try me ! PLEASE! I've already forced you to take down videos after I highlighted them as being completely wrong.

Dinar Investor   Skefla I don't remember, I see to many posts.

Zig   Dinar Investor's (Jeff) videos can be found at https://www.iqdcalls.com/Dinar-Investor.html

missme   SKELFLA Give it up....

Dinar Investor   Skefla your name doesnt look familiar

SKELFLA   Dinar Investor Come on Jeff... You don't remember having to remove videos, blocking me after I pointed out they were COMPLETELY wrong?

Dinar Investor   i block rude people Skefla your starting to sound a little like that

Matt   Dinar Investor SKELFLA Is just speculating and watches CNN

Dinar Investor   your personality is abrasive

Matt   Just Opinions

SKELFLA   Dinar Investor Not being rude... But you must remember having to remove videos recently after a poster highlighted that they were patently wrong...

Dinar Investor   i dont i've removed many rude people and trolls

Dinar Investor   oh the liberal news network

Matt   Dinar Investor corrupt News Network

Dinar Investor   every one has been wrong bro

Whitelion    Zig I cant believe you just did that xyz has different way of expression but her knowledge of what is happening in Iraq is spot on she i well read .

Tebow   Dinar Investor bingo

SKELFLA   Dinar Investor Are you telling me you have never removed a video after posting when you have been shown by me as being completely incorrect?

Dinar Investor   if your so sharp why arent you running your own channel proving everyone wrong?

SKELFLA   Dinar Investor I've proved you wrong on several occasions forcing you to quickly remove videos... I'm happy to start with that !

Dinar Investor    ive removed videos with incorrect information in respect to my followers so theyre not mislead out of respect

Dinar Investor    skefla if your so intelligent start your own channel and prove every one wrong

SKELFLA    Dinar Investor Not true... You have been forced to remove videos after I highlighted you were COMPLETELY wrong!

Dinar Investor    no one has ever forced my to do anything, i respect others your quite ignorant I must say

Zig   Dinar Investor : I knew if I bugged you enough you would come here.....lol.....hope you visit often.....

SKELFLA         I'll start with one example where you claimed that salaries were being cut and you claimed that was a reflection of the coming "RV" I read the original article in Arabic and pointed out it was the complete opposite... Even the translated article was clear. I could go on these have been SEVERAL instances...

Dinar Investor   Skefla i work 70-80 hours a week and didnt have time to read that article in entirety. That was my mistake and thats why I deleted.

Whitelions   Dinar Investor Hi your on point but calling date is bad business

Zig   Dinar Investor : Busy?......Understand......whenever you have time or maybe when you see Kaperoni in chat.....lol

Whitelions   Zig starting crap clling names thats what your setting up

Matt    Dinar Investor You Keeps it simple and mostly real Thank You

Zig   Whitelions : I'm an instigator.....what can I say?...... :naNa

xyz   Kaperoni acknowledged rv

SKELFLA   Dinar Investor Shall I continue ? That's just one example! There are many more! How about the time I pointed out the fact you couldn't tell the difference from 42000 Billion equating to Trillions? That's a major mistake which you subsequently removed... I'll keep going if you like

Dinar Investor   Skefla your so noisy you sound like a narcissit needing to yourself talk

Dinar Investor   Skefla you should join Kaperoni's ignorance club and share intel and be extra noisy together

Sue   Dinar Investor ;hello Like your style Thank You

SKELFLA   Dinar Investor I'm waiting to be shredded ! I respect you only for the fact you haven't monetised your b* yet like the so called gurus but I don't like the fact you propagate utter baseless b* to gullible people who have zero understanding of monetary policy much like yourself.

Dinar Investor    how can you guys stand listening to his noisy insane individual.

31 Aug 19, 09:53 PM Tebow   Dinar Investor we don't

sue   Dinar Investor We can't

Dinar Investor   Im out you guys can keep your idioit's, best of luck

SKELFLA   Dinar Investor I'm still waiting to be "shredded" so far its been one sided... Unfortunately for you , you can't block me here... Time for me to call out your b*!

SKELFLA   Well Jeff kind of showed himself up! Lol I enjoyed that.... Please bring more gurus on... All of them without exception have nothing... When he realised I was the one who had been exposing his b* for several months he ran away !

EricB   SKELFLA, a poster named sandyf suggested that a redenomination would be a bad look for Iraq at this time, as they are trying to attract investors. Agree with this opinion?

SKELFLA   EricB I would agree with that.... But that's not to say they won't do it... But yes it would be detrimental to foreign direct investment

Zig   Dinar Investor : Please come back again.....preferably when Kap is here...

SKELFLA   Zig He won't come back... Lol next! Lol

Tebow   Zig thanks for inviting him,

Zig   SKELFLA : I don't think Jeff scares easily....he will be back.....

EricB   SKELFLA Thanks

SKELFLA   Zig I just counted how many videos he had to remove after I highlighted how wrong he was... 12 videos! I know this because I had to start a new YouTube account each time as he would block me and then remove the videos... Trust me he won't come back... He knows I'm the one who has been exposing his b* ...he wasn't expecting it! Lol love this place. Bring on some more...

Whitelions   SKELFLA ycan you prove that

SKELFLA   Zig But don't worry ZIG I've always wanted to go up against sam... I might agree with him that it can't RV overnight but Sam is patently wring on a number of other things...

Tebow   Zig has no worries

Zig   SKELFLA : Sam will be a formidable opponent.....would be interesting.....he won't back down......

SKELFLA    Whitelions Well I just did ! I reminded him of two videos he had to remove because they were completely wrong ! And he ran away! What does that tell you? Seriously ! Wow

Whitelions   SKELFLA the eternal question wht o you get out of this ?

Whitelions   SKELFLA Thats only proof in your mind not our

EricB   SKELFLA One of the gurus has a guy in Iraq that says he has been asked to keep multiple ledgers on USD-IQD at 1 to 1, 1 to 2, etc over the last couple years. Do you know what the purpose of that would be?

Zig    I do hope Jeff returns....maybe when SKELFLA is out of the room......lol

Whitelions    SKELFLA I want tangible proof not your say so

Tebow   Zig yes

SKELFLA   Whitelions believe it or not I have a huge disdain for gurus who are just complete morons and also for those who sit on the other side such as Sam who can't see that something is in the works ..... Think of me as someone who sits on the fence destroying each end of the paradigm.... I know for a fact something is in play.... And both sides will turn out to be wrong!

Zig   SKELFLA : But we don't want you chasing everyone away!!......Jeez......lol

SKELFLA   EricB Well without knowing more my first response would be b*... Why would you adopt such an accounting practice? Can you elaborate ?

Whitelions   SKELFLA No thank you your no better that okie tony or te worst of the con people both en and women

Tebow   I know for a fact, yet can not provide any facts, delusional!

Zig   Whitelions : Doesn't this remind you of the good old days in here??......lol

SKELFLA   Whitelions lol you going to have to work on your English there buddy I have no idea what you are trying to say...lol

Tebow   Zig I love the good old days. When was that?

Whitelions   SKELFLA We do the news every day and thats ll we do jeff has come the closest to what is going on in years so you keep doing what you do we will keep doing what we do with people like you

Zig   Tebow : A few years ago.....fights daily.....crazy times.....

Tebow   Zig has really?

SKELFLA   Whitelions come closest? Are you serious ? Wow you haven't just drunk the kool aid you are literally drowning in it! Lol

Zig   Whitelions was in the middle of every fight back then.....lol

Whitelions SKELFLA    yep. I drink the koolaid everyday. And. I finely like where we are. You on the other hand hav no clue the longer you type the lmore you show your ignorance

xyz   SKELFLA ignorance has no defense

EricB   SKELFLA Well supposedly he owns a few private banks or exchange companies and was asked to keep these ledgers. The guru is an idiot but the guy with the banks always seemed reasonable. That's all I have, wish I could remember more.

SKELFLA   So far Kap has been a disappointment... And Jeff ran away like a you know what... When it dawned on him who I was...

Whitelions   SKELFLA Omg tell us who you are lol

Whitelions   Are you someone we will know in lets say Iraq politics higher up so we know your the real deal

SKELFLA   EricB Well..... Let's assume there was going to be an overnight RV. Even then you wouldn't adopt an accounting practice that forecasted a RV for transactions that concluded before the rate change. Makes absolutely no sense. There is no reason why anyone especially a bank would adopt such a practice. I call b*.

Whitelions   Bla bla bla

 EricB   SKELFLA It was explainedNever made any sense to me.

SKELFLA   But I would have enjoyed Kap having ago at Jeff... It was too easy... Jeff really has issues with even the most basic economic principles or even general common sense. But at least Jeff hasn't monetised his b* (yet) but he will eventually...they all do.

EricB   SKELFLA The way it was explained is that he kept 2 sets of books, one documenting their day-to-day transactions and another documenting the same transactions at a different rate. Anyway, that's the story. Was wondering if that was a common practice by the GOI or CBI.

Whitelions   New player inthe room

SKELFLA   EricB There's no reason to do that unless you were back in the 1800s where different ledgers were used for different types of book keeping purposes. In this day and age you don't keep different ledgers you can pro actively change things whether as a forecasting mechanism or the like.. Sorry but that's b*. Typical Guru b*.

Whitelions   SKELFLA your spouting bull and when you called out you try to throw people off by attacking others that are not here tostand up for them selfs

SKELFLA   Whitelions Examples please...

 EricB   SKELFLA Well, I'm not sure what

Whitelions   Every thing you have posted here is you versis them and when not inline with you You atttick

EricB   SKELFLA Well, I'm not sure what technology they used by that was a general principle. Thanks.

 SKELFLA   Whitelions What? Goof ball Jeff ran away... And couldn't put together one single counter argument. See the problem with this "community" is you guys have been played for so long you are punch drunk from all the b*. That's why this thing will come and go and none of you will be any the wiser. But as is always the case the big boys will have cleaned up nicely...

Whitelions   mudder Well said

SKELFLA   mudder Great analogy.... Just a shame that it would appear that I'm the only one who is actually making money on the dinar... Hmmmm whilst you clowns keep dreaming about it!

xyz   SKELFLA why are so many gotta anger to you guru?

SKELFLA   xyz Isn't it obvious?

xyz   SKELFLA no worries Tebow luv ya

Whitelions   SKELFLA Ill just be glad when your gone I dont know what your getting out of your bull except maybe interactions in your life but you have no clue how the. momentary system works inside Iraq

SKELFLA    Whitelions Really? Well how about I show you a video where I'm giving a speech to the CBI five years ago in Arabic? I shared it on discord .... Was received very well....

SKELFLA   Whitelions You can barely string together a structured sentence but you claim I don't know how things work in Iraq? Okay good luck with that train of thought...

Whitelions   SKELFLA I'll just be glad when your gone I know what you get outof this bull except interactions ith people because you have no clue how the monetary system works in Iraq no matter how you try to convince us

Whitelions   SKELFLA ok where do I fined this video

Tebow   Whitelions that would be a video of someone anyone could claim to be, pure b*!

SKELFLA   Whitelions you really need help with your English. You should take some extra classes or at least slow down and think a little before spewing nonsensical rubbish

SKELFLA   Tebow Really, I sent my credentials to Baxter and offered more... He hasn't come back yet and said anything negative or to the contrary...

spankie   too much competitiveness and anger

SKELFLA   Baxter has the means to contact me for further verification. I'm old fashioned in that I provide stuff to those who are courteous rather than .. Well just ignorant. I'll come back to the board before the end of the year when its proven than there was an ongoing play on the dinar by certain institutions and was concluded and subsequently the average speculator was none the wiser. I look forward to that day in the not too distant future.

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Xbruster69   He added that “currency change leads to greater confidence in local currency and credibility, and when there are a large number of zeros in the local currency people lose their confidence, especially those with transactions in wholesale markets and importers, as they will replace the local currency with stable international currencies such as the dollar or the euro, which deepens The phenomenon of dollarization in the domestic economy, which weakens monetary authority and reduces the effectiveness of policy

Cash https://search4dinar.wordpress.com/2019/08/31/specialized-minted-coins-serve-internal-business-transactions/

Dave   Howdy Folks....

Dave   silver nearing 20.00

Dave   13.00 a yr ago....    Specialized: minted coins serve internal business transactions

Dave   There have been recent parliamentary voices calling for the reintroduction of coins (coinage) and reintroduction into circulation, as well as reconsideration of the project to delete the three zeros from the Iraqi currency, at a time when economists regarded it as part of the great economic reform process in the country.

There have been recent parliamentary voices calling for the reintroduction of coins (coinage) and reintroduction into circulation, as well as reconsideration of the project to delete the three zeros from the Iraqi currency, at a time when economists regarded it as part of the great economic reform process in the country.

Dave   Strategic Plan

Economist Dr. Essam Mohamed Hassan said that “the Central Bank decided earlier to develop a plan to create coins as part of a restructuring plan that requires the approval of the House of Representatives as a strategic plan will contribute to support the value of the Iraqi dinar in trading

“The change of currency means that a new currency replaces an old currency, with a specified replacement rate, and removes the zeros of the old currency or moves the decimal places to the left,” he said. Financial support for the national economy. “

Hassan said that “the coin project, launched in 2004 did not succeed in the absence of comprehensive economic reforms to support the financial value of the dinar in the global market,” explaining that coins will be one of the important intermediate currencies that will be used for trading

“Deleting zeros and reintroducing coins has to do with economic reforms because coins, because of their durability, are longer than coins that are quickly damaged,” he said. In 2004, “indicating that this requires the dissemination of a culture to educate the public about the economic feasibility of the minted currency.”

Delete the zeros

Dr. Abdul Hussein Al-Ghalbi, an economist at the Faculty of Business and Economics, University of Kufa, said: “The process of changing the currency is not limited to deleting zeros, but it can be done by adding a number of zeros or moving the decimal places to the right, as happened in South Africa in 1961,

but the situation Prevailing over the past 50 years in most countries is the elimination of zeros because of the hyperinflation witnessed by many countries, which obliges to add zeros to their currencies in those circumstances, and then get rid of zeros at the end  

Al-Ghalbi stressed that “changing the currency does not affect productivity, as well as that this change does not affect the purchasing power of money, because the power comes from the increased demand for money against the money suppl

Dave   Multiple benefits

“Changing currency and deleting zeros brings multiple benefits,” said Al-Ghalbi. Public”.

He said that “after the change of currency will occur a serious reduction in the volume of transactions with less amount of money, which facilitates all parties to deal with, especially Accountants. “

Dave   Monetary deception

Al-Ghalbi said that “currency change reduces the phenomenon of monetary deception experienced by people with a large number of zeros that are pushing towards generating inflationary pressures. Of inflation Untamed. “

He added that “currency change leads to greater confidence in local currency and credibility, and when there are a large number of zeros in the local currency people lose their confidence, especially those with transactions in wholesale markets and importers, as they will replace the local currency with stable international currencies such as the dollar or the euro, which deepens The phenomenon of dollarization in the domestic economy, which weakens monetary authority and reduces the effectiveness of policy Cash.

Dave      LINK   

Dave     So........?    Bax coin talk........Direct from IRAQ too.....

Dave   just at what rate?;   ice-cream; Sorry for the redundancy then.....

Dave   no one bothered to chime in on this.......I liked it......

Dave   Iraq aint like other countries which faced inflation

Dave   KAp and SandyF will comment soon........ Tebow

Dave   their chunky money currently contributes to inflation so lds will help........accounting durability in coinage........and confidence.......

xyz   Dave shorter link http://alsabaah.iq/13192/-

Tebow   Dave sure they will

Dave   will Tebow what?

Dave   Kap will attempt to spin this

Dave   though this not from cbi....talk of change of currency and COINS.......like it

31 Aug 19, 05:39 PM xyz   8-31-2019 Newshound/Intel Guru Mnt Goat Article: "HOW MUCH CURRENCY IS ALLOWED UNDER NEW RULES TO ENTER AND EXIT IRAQ?"

Quote: "One of the decisions stipulates that "the entry and exit of amounts exceeding (1,000,000) (one million Iraqi dinars) is prohibited even if they have been declared, and the amount is withheld and legal proceedings are taken."

Oops they spilled the beans in this last paragraph of the article…

Now why in heck would they be restricting 1 million dinars when this is only about $1,000 USD? They just told us anything below $10,000 USD is not restricted in an earlier paragraph.

So why then tell us in a later paragraph that 1 million dinars is restricted when the equivalent exchange in only equal to $1,000 USD? To me it should be acceptable if the rate was going to remain as it is today.

Right? Am I missing something here? So maybe the rate is going to go to at least a busk [buck?] or more. Get it? This is one of those revealing articles.

REF: http://economy-news.net/content.php?id=17587

xyz:   popcorn

xyz    Parliamentary Finance: The imminent entry of the oil and gas law into the legislation .. And reveal its political dimensions

http://alforatnews.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=209470   

A member of the Finance Committee revealed that the imminent entry into force of the oil and gas law.

Committee member Sherwan Mirza said in a press statement, "One of the recommendations made by the Finance Committee to the Presidency of the House of Representatives after hosting the Minister of Finance is the legislation of the oil and gas law during the new legislative term."

He added, "The oil and gas law has political dimensions as it is linked to relations between the Kurdistan region and the federal government and the province of Basra and Baghdad and all oil-producing provinces in addition to Kirkuk."

Mirza pointed out that "the legislation of the oil and gas law will address some of the outstanding problems between the region and the center, in addition to addressing the problems of oil-producing provinces;

eman4u55   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCJrvSZHbBw&t=219s

SKELFLA   Portmagaland Hi. Yes you are correct I don't personally own IQD but I do make money from all the transactions involving the institutions.

Although I am not a believer in an overnight "RV/RI" I'm also haven't completely discounted that whatever the ongoing play is on the IQD it will not eventually translate to a profit for the average speculator.

That's why I am curious to establishing the reasoning and strategy behind these substantial transactions. The fact they are covert suggests a lot of things but nothing I have been able to substantiate.

As you know I have theories... But they are just theories. From an investment perspective I'm positive on any & all things graphene related , upstream & downstream. I also speculate on oil rights in developing nations.

SKELFLA   Zig Make it happen ... I know of Sam I Am... Happy to have a convo

xyz   Active shooter in TX

xyz   Multiple active shooters reported in Midland, Odessa https://www.kvue.com/article/news/crime/odessa-shooter/269-17dbe2e0-4b2b-487e-91a8-281a4e6aa3b8

Zig   SKELFLA : Okay.....I let Sam know......Watch for him as he comes in here from time to time.....

xyz   SKELFLA is Sam

xyz   Shooter dead

John   xyz Sounds like it what is this guys agenda? if he is so smart why does he care what we think? Just his Opinion and says he is speculating so are we accually

Wilder   xyz are you saying Skelfla is Sam?

John   Maybe Zig is Sam and Skelfla Ha! Why doe he use all caps i his name?

Wilder   John Lol. What a rat race. I'll settle for a nickel.

xyz   Sam in disguise

John   Wilder I never have counted on anything just diversifying and made since it could happen but have not change anything in my life activities becouse of just buying some

John   xyz Sam is a disguise

missme   @Whitelions When are you guys going to do a call? Straight talking Mike, LJ and the crew?

John   @Whitelions I vote yes to missme post

Zig   xyz : ;eye roll;

Wilder   John wise choices. I could sure use this tho

missme   Sam, Skelfla, Sandy are irrelevant....seriously

John   missme Agree

John   They have an agenda of some sort

xyz   missme names start with S .... aka scammer

missme   xyz Absolutely! They all conjure up their own narratives....

missme   Skelfa admitted his theories and also admitted he doesn't know what the CBI is doing or will do! Why bother?

SKELFLA   missme Because I obviously have a superior intellect than likes of you. And I have nothing to gain from b* and or dreaming up inconsequential trollop.

missme   SKELFLA Superior intellect! Based on what? Your opinions and admission you don't know! lol!

missme   SKELFLA You are misguided my friend! All of us are speculating! You're in the same boat! How are you superior on a chat?!!! lol!

Whitelions   SKELFLA give it up when you have to tell people how smart you are we all know your not .

xyz   SKELFLA name calling is a no no

SKELFLA   xyz Really? Funny that coming from someone who just called me a scammer.

missme   SKELFLA The issues lie with you in your knowledge claims which is no knowledge!

xyz   SKELFLA scammer is a fact not name calling

Whitelions   SKELFLA it's only obvious to you your statments in this chat (because its the only one I go to are all self sirvering and no I cant spell worth the darn lol

missme   SKELFLA You are grounded in your own ignorance!

xyz   SKELFLA hey name calling ought to beneath an all knowing guru jejeje

Whitelions   SKELFLA see there you go you have no idea that xyz is one of the most informed and off the wall people in this room lol but you have not been here long enough to know that .

missme   SKELFLA Who cares what you think....

xyz   SKELFLA dinar speculator not English student

Whitelions   SKELFLA thank you for that ;cheers

xyz   SKELFLA requirements for a dinar speculator, can afford buying iqd. And for misguided wannabe guru, depression

missme   SKELFLA I love the haters... ;;NA_NA

SKELFLA   missme Me too. That's something we have in common.

xyz   SKELFLA is Sam

missme   xyz I think you're right SKELFLA is Sam

Whitelions   where do I get in line for one of xyz idiot troups I'd rather be there than just spout crap

xyz   Z hypothesis: Sam is SKELFLA

missme   SKELFLA You shouldn't be so hard on yourself....

Whitelions   SKELFLA O ya didn't I read back where some one asked you for proof of what you say and we are still waiting

missme   Whitelions He has no proof! Just another hater....

Whitelions   missme I know lol

missme   Whitelions I believe we are close with what is going on...how close? That i'm not sure....what are your brief thoughts?

Whitelions   missme I'm with you I saw xyz posted a good article that just brings hope to my hart I don't like that Jeff has called it but I \have to say he is good on his timeing

mod   @SKELFLA Please read above chat box Refrain from bashing and name calling, Respect gets Respect. etc...

missme   Whitelions Indeed! To all my fellow dinarians: Keep the faith! Don't let the naysayers steal your dream! Prepare to do much good!

Whitelions   missme yes and I have to say First you take care of yourself aitch gives you the power to care of others .

missme   Whitelions Absolutely! Great advice!

Portmagaland   xyz Sam cant be Skelfa as Sam has never said he speaks both Arabic and Farsi nor did same state he went to school in the Middle East. Until someone proves Skelfa is the schill their claiming shelfa to be, I'm taking Shelfa at his word, just like I take you all at your word.

missme   Portmagaland Skelfa said he has aplenty of theories! Skelfa said he doesn't know what the CBI is doing or is going to do! Is that the words you are taking? We are not impressed with his academia!

He said there cannot be an overnight RV and then claimed he doesn't know what the CBI is going to do! That's called self-contradiction! Now wil you still hold to his word???

xyz   Portmagaland have you ever met Sam or SKELFLA? If not, then I assume you are not easily deceived by wannabe gurus claims

Portmagaland   SKELFLA Skelfa I heard Zimbabwe is loaded with Graphine, so the mining companies gearing up to start mining Zimbabwe would be a good investment, but I believe those are going to be Chinese mining companies and when the Chinese are done with Zimbabwe, well just look how polluted both China's water and air is and that's how the Chinese take care of their own home.

Anyways, you said you were a speculator and you came in this chat seeking Kap because you wanted Kaps opinion on the reasoning and strategy behind the those substantial transactions. What were you expecting Kap to say?

Portmagaland   missme I'm just trying to figure out if these dinar dirivatives in vast quantities are in fact at play. If so, I am concerned as every silver stacker knows, this same game has been played with silver and kept the price artificially down.

However, theres going to come a time with silver where silver will break through on it's own and on it's own .... silver through supply and demand will shatter its manipulators because silver has intrinsic value, so this falsehood of silver dirivatives will eventually be rectified, whereas. the dinar is just paper printed up and has no intrinsic value like silver. But, if Skelfie is Sam, then I've been had and that would make Sam the super duper ultra troll, which I dont think Skelfie is Sam as Zig wouldn't let that slide, right Zig?

Portmagaland   xyz I've never met either, Sam I'm no fan of and Skelfue hooked me with his currency dirivative idea because some months back I read in a thread that same concept, so that's two different sources tied to banking that appear to have insight on this dinar dirivative scheme being set up by global bankers supposedly and I dont like bankers for obvious reasons.

Whitelions   omg just let Iraq do what they have to do and stop over thinking it they are going to revalue their money take what they offer when it happens question the spread here at our banks ,depending on how much you have the better the spread they will give you and do the best with what you have .

Portmagaland   I'm a layman at best, I've only been watching financial markets for the past year, prior to that I was your average ignoramus American into all things that truly dont matter. I listen to and read up on a wide range of opinions regarding two things specifically the dinar and silver that's it.

Wilder   Whitelions tell them to hurry up already..

Portmagaland   Whitelions I like your positivity, it's just hard in a world where all we get fed is negativity

missme   Portmagaland When someone tells me they dogmatically knows that there will be no overnight RV and then contradicts that claim by saying he doesn't know what the CBI is doing or going to do, that settles it with me sofar as their credibility lies! That's called self-contradiction!

missme   We don't have to be scholars to understand Iraq intentions....they have told us...those who are listening! Everything else is just fillers because of our impatience!

Portmagaland   missme How do you know a politician is lying, their lips are moving and the people talking from the CBI are politicians on another level. I know what they are saying, I just havent seen the action that will prove what they are saying is true.

It does appear the dust might settle this coming month regarding our venture. I just hope if it doesnt go our way that silver and gold dont take off and we're priced out after we get our money back from our dinar. They say prepare for the worst and hope for the best, while Bad Santa said poop in one hand and wish in the other and tell him what fills up first.

missme   Portmagaland You sound like a reasonable person...in all seriousness, do you really think the CBI is going to show their hand to speculators concerning their currency? But I do know the likes of Skelfa who comes in here to dissuade those of us who do believe!

And when someone makes so-called knowledge claims that are contradictory, I'm quick to cok an eyebrow at what is said! I'm not drinking his Kool-aid (I prefer orange) and nonsensical claims! Neither so you! Enjoy the ride my friend! And keep hope alive!

Portmagaland   missme I dont believe the CBI will show their hand and I believe it will happen, but in a way none of us saw coming.

SKELFLA   missme I don't know why I bother responding to really stupid statements... But would you claim someone was contradicting themselves if they said they don't know what Trump will do tomorrow but they do know he won't grow wings and fly to the moon as being contradicting?

missme   SKELFLA And that is suppose to be analogous with what you claimed? You are steep into foolishness!

missme   Portmagaland You may be right! And then it may happen just like we thought! Does it really matter?

SKELFLA   Portmagaland The world is not short of graphene so miners may not be the best play.. There is a few miners who have adopted some vertical integration into their business models including R&D. I find those the most interesting.

SKELFLA   missme That's exactly the same thing. There are things in life called a statistical improbabilities ... An overnight RV goes even further its a mathematical & economical IMPOSSIBILITY. You also claim I said I didn't know what the CBI was going to do...

Not correct... I stated the CBI doesn't even know what they are going to do. They are in disarray ...have been for many years. You haven't worked in Iraq or even the ME. I have.

SKELFLA   Portmagaland Think of having the foresight to invest in plastic companies in the 1950's which grew to become conglomerates in less than a decade. I believe that to be the same opportunity we find now with graphene but to a factor of 10.

Zig   Please don't take those kinds of posts by "XYZ" seriously.....LOL....She likes to play games.....Once wrote that Kaperoni and I were the same person......lol.....I highly doubt that Sam and SKELFA are the same person.....lol.....From what I know about Sam he has no time to play those kinds of games.....

SKELFLA   I'm not Sam... I can assure of that.

Zig   LOL

missme   SKELFLA Listen to your rhetoric! "Statistical improbabilities" Because you say so? Mathematical & economical impossibilities! Because you say so? Who are you to make such dogmatic claims!

You do not know what you think you know! It is all conjecture on your part! And you have the unmitigated gall to call out those who do believe! You did claim you didn't know what the CBI was doing or going to do! Check the record! And now, of all things, you calim the CBI does not know what they are going to do!

That is an incredible, unbelievable claim! Do you think these men and women over there are a bunch of ignoramuses? Seriously! So, according to your logic, if a person hasn't worked in Iraq or the ME, then they cannot listen to Iraq and its intentions! How absurd! Your credibility is flawed and shot!

SKELFLA   missme Yes, because I have had and continue to have contact with senior people both in the CBI, Ministry of Finance and the Oil Ministry and a few banks and financial institutions in Iraq and I can say with complete confidence that they are poorly managed (being polite) And nepotism continues to rot away at their core.

The oil ministry is a bit of an anomaly as it has been and continue to be well run in comparison to other industries and institutions in Iraq.

I suspect that is due to the fact that with the post war power change from Sunni to Shia for some reason the Sunni fractions retained most of the important positions in the oil ministry thus they were able to maintain semblance of normality..

Tebow   missme let it go, just another worthless guru seeking attention

missme   SKELFLA And?

SKELFLA   missme will I think I've been quite clear... If you can't see that then I suggest you go back to your fantasy world. Where Trump grows wings and flies to the moon.

missme   Tebow That's why I'm calling him out! I'm tired of people coming in here spewing their dogmatic views....It's one thing to give your honest opinion; it's another to demean those who do believe....

SKELFLA   missme Go ahead and believe! Fly fly away! Lol

missme   SKELFLA Right back where we were....you have no proof! Everything you claim and say is pointless!

SKELFLA   missme Actually I began to send Baxter some proof... But I was invited to a discord server where I have sent proof you would not believe! With people who have been extremely appreciative. Genuinely educated and thoughtful people.

missme   SKELFLA What is your agenda? You said you came here to engage Kap...well, you were not satisfied with his conclusions...now you're left with dinarians who do believe in this....so what's your point?

missme   SKELFLA Proof of WHAT??!!! lol!

SKELFLA   My point has been clear from the start...

SKELFLA    missme Proof of everything I have claimed from the start on this thread.

Missme    SKELFLA   You proof was you do not know what the CBI is doing or going to do! It's in print!

xyz   SKELFLA evening

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Doug_W   Silver:$18.46

Xyz   Parliamentary Economic: Kurdistan got the highest percentage in its history of the budget

The Committee on Economy and Investment Alnababip, on Saturday, to exceed the share of the Kurdistan region in the federal budget for the current year more than 17%, indicating that the region exceeded its highest share of history .

Committee member Nada Shaker Jawdat said in a statement followed by 'orbit' “The budget ended without Baghdad getting any financial resource from Erbil. Despite the prior agreement, which makes the share of Kurdistan rise to more than 17% of the federal budget .

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xyz   US official: Israeli attacks may lead to the expulsion of our troops from Iraq

http://www.almadarnews.org/index.php?page=article&id=64321  

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Recent Israeli attacks on Iraq may lead to the expulsion of US troops from Iraq, a US official warned on Saturday, in a move that shows how divided Washington and Tel Aviv are.

"Israel is escalating through strikes and such attacks may lead to the expulsion of US troops in Iraq," the English-language Times of Israel said in a report.

"The US revelations point to an internal debate between military officials who are directly confronted with the fallout of such strikes and hawks in the Trump administration - who support the most aggressive policy of fighting Tehran's regional influence," the newspaper said, noting that "US officials acknowledge Israel's involvement in air strikes."

In Iraq, after a short silence and denial of US responsibility for these strikes, is linked to American frustration with the actions of Tel Aviv.

"Iraq is not Syria, where Israel has carried out hundreds of airstrikes since 2011. In Iraq, US forces could become targets of resistance factions. If this happens and the Trump administration decides to withdraw its troops from Iraq, this step will create a vacuum that will likely fill it." Forces less interested in Israeli interests. ”

"Despite the tough words of the Pentagon statement in which it affirmed its support for Iraq's sovereignty, the Middle East analyst and the former Zionist Union, Ksenia Svetlova, rejected the possibility that the US statement would be a condemnation of the Israeli raids. ”

She added that “Washington fully understands Israeli concerns and has seen the Pentagon statement as a perfect statement to please the Iraqis, not a real denunciation of Israeli actions.”

foxmulder   xyz well a bit of good news! The Kurds must be happy..

 foxmulder   Doug_W hey there how is everything

SKELFLA   Portmagaland seems we have someone who has a valid theory.

Baxter   Good Morning Dinar World.... another weekend is upon us.

Baxter   8-31-2019 Newshound/Intel Guru Mnt Goat I have to tell everyone right now it appears that everything is on track to move ahead with the project to delete the zeros and launch the smaller category coins and maybe some notes too. We are about to move to the next and final stage... ;ice-cream;

foxmulder   Baxter final stage again? LOL

Baxter   yep... wonder how many of those there are

foxmulder   Baxter we wont benefit from it BAX even if it does get finished.. so says a few people

Baxter   I dont believe that... sorry

Baxter   currency is currency

foxmulder   It's not for us little people

Baxter   if its international... its just like any other international currency

foxmulder   Not according to some !! But hey I agree with ya ...

Baxter   it will be exchanged just like any other currency... problem is... banks dont have to exchange it...

Baxter   some chase banks... exchange foreign currency.. some dont

foxmulder   Whatever happens nothing we can control

Baxter   you are right there..

Portmagaland   Doug_W Last weekend silver stayed the same until late Sunday afternoon West Coast time. We have a holiday on Monday, so maybe they wont update the price until late Monday, however, the rest of the world doesn't havent a holiday Monday, so maybe we see some price action late Sunday afternoon again.

Portmagaland   If it goes in the same direction like last Sunday, itll go over $19 or who really knows, they can manipulate back under $17 if they wanted. I just hope more our brothers/sisters in Asia sell more gold to buy silver.

Portmagaland   Either way if negativecinterest rates are going to be a common thread globally, as well as, 50 to 100 year bonds, while the 2 year bonds are outpacing the 7 and 10 year bonds, plus once the sheep figure out that inflation isxwipping out their meager interest rates earnings in savings at their banks, IMO people will be looking for a place to park their money and metals are an oldie, but a goodie.

Portmagaland   I'm still hesitant to pull the trigger on mining stocks, but they seem to be a big discussion right now

Portmagaland   SKELFLA I'm curious, with your knowledge, what's your play? We know you aren't in the dinar as you stated such, so what are you looking at to possibly make mama happy, when all this goes down? You stated your classmates are in the CBI and other key components of the middle east financial sector, so where are they positioning themselves to hopefully, cash in?

Portmagaland   @SKELFA You stated you're building a yacht and then you're going to sail the world for ten years. A lot of us in this chat share such dreams and that's why we are in the dinar, however, you seemed to be from the school of thought that the dinar itself is the wrong boat to get us to such dreams.

With that said, it does sound like you think there might be another boat that can reach destination dreamland, when all this goes down. So, if you dont believe in the dinar, what are you seeing as a possible investment, when this all breaks?

Zig   @SKELFLA: Hi....I am looking forward to a conversation between you and "Sam I Am".....now that would be interesting IMO.....and adding Kaperoni to it, even better.

Chocolatiere   Portmagaland It takes some research to discover the existence of the Nephilims .. most people think that we are crazy when we mention them .. and it's true that they are actually involved in the ruling high positions , you can find a whole study with Patricia King and Randy Demain on U-tube

chocolatiere   I'm praying  for a miracle with the Dinar ..when I realized that most of the gurus were lying I started to appreciate people like Kaperoni , who were sober and more realistic in their approach , expecting something good to happen . Blessings

Zig   I sent Jeff one final invitation to visit.....Jeff's videos are posted at https://www.iqdcalls.com/Dinar-Investor.html This chat box, as most of you know, can also be found at iqdcalls.com on many pages...

Baxter   JEFF... OH YES..... HERES YOUR JEFF.. 8-31-2019 Newshound Guru Jeff ...the CBI said back in 2014 that their #1 thing they were seeking was political stability.

So they're telling you that the formation and complete government is the linchpin...the UN clearly announced that there's one position remaining - the Education Minister...this whole thing is scripted...

we have them attempting to complete the government in September...3 weeks ago you had them bring a ton of reconstruction money into Iraq specifically for the 2019 budget...there's only one quarter left.

Any reconstruction is post rate change event. If they're gonna use that money in Q4 then they have to walk into Q4 with a new rate in hand. That means they have to change the rate in September. It's very cut and dry... I JUST LOVE....'THE CUT AND DRY"

Zig   Baxter : We're gonna be rich next month!!!..... 'happy-dance

Baxter   LOL... Your funny

Baxter   yeh... I know... CUT AND DRY

Portmagaland   chocolatiere I know of the Nephilims Steve Quayle, David Icke that circle is deep in that rabbit hole.

Portmagaland   Zig I hope you are right about being rich Zig

Zig   Jeff....assuming you read the chat.........I hope you decide to come into chat despite the fact that some may attack you.....lol....this room is terrific in general and everyone is welcome!!.....don't be afraid!!....Stand your ground!...... ;scared

Baxter   Yeh... come visit... BAXTER will love to see ya

Baxter   or is your name... 'CUT AND DRY....

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IQD Calls Chat Friday Night 8-30-19 Part 2 of 2

IQD Calls Chat Friday Night 8-30-19 Part 2 of 2

foxmulder   Dave LOL who cares ??? let the guy talk .... searching for answers as is everyone else !

Sparky   Dave ...and, has contact s...

Dave   insider trading hmmmm....paying a premium for dinar.......We are off to the RACES!

foxmulder   Dave LMAO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sparky   foxmulder ... agree ! ...let em speak...

foxmulder   SKELFLA IM sorry but do not say it is not sanctioned by the Central bank of Iraq , if it was not legal or allowed by them WE COULD NOT BUY IT THROUGH THE BANKS !!

Sparky.   ..he/she has not deviated from their statements...

foxmulder   oy vey !! what a day !!

SKELFLA   I think I have been very clear. Understandable that Neanderthals like * have yet to grasp what I'm saying....but surely most of you have ?

Dave   Hope some found some humor.....

foxmulder   SKELFLA easy fella

SKELFLA   foxmulder No. It is legal to own Dinar in fact it was made legal through an executive order under bush. But that executive order did not proceed to the GOI legislation.

Foxmulder   it is a binding agreement

foxmulder   the GOI did not have to approve these are issues settled previouly

SKELFLA   foxmulder no man. There is specific legislation in place that forbids the government of Iraq from exporting the IQD for the purpose of off book speculation.

Sparky   Dave ... the line in Reno is getting longer... I'm gonna have to charge you 3 Dinarz...

Dave   TUESDAY by the sounds of things

Sparky   SKELFLA ... interesting...

Tebow   SKELFLA Please cite that specific legislation. We will wait!

SKELFLA   Anyway as the conman Markz loves to say do your research. But in your case do real genuine enhanced DD and you might just be able to put the puzzle together.

Sparky   Dave ... don't forget the bud...

foxmulder   SKELFLA and what exactly defines speculation apart from the stock exchange ? it is the same as the big folks buying large amounts of dinar you speak of . how does one separate them

Dave   Sparky COVERED!

foxmulder   so the main ?? is , are implying that the dinar we hold is illegal ??

Dave   foxmulder KINDA?

foxmulder   SKELFLA mister back off !!

foxmulder   SKELFLA your more rude than he is !!!

SKELFLA   foxmulder Think of it as the old boys club. Whatever it is they plan on doing with this dinar you can be fairly confident of two things, 1) they will make money 2) it probably won't translate into a return for the average Joe.

Foxmulder   SKELFLA your wrong its currency anyone can play

Sparky   SKELFLA ... now, there, you lost me...

Tebow   SKELFLA again, you don't know the outcome.

Dave   Hard to lose Sparky

foxmulder   SKELFLA be sure of this as soon as the dod frank bill was repealed here in the US us little people can speculate as you can ..

Dave   I am in LALA land

Sparky   Dave ...like a bad habit...

foxmulder   Dave ;chill

Dave   foxmulder why encourage it?

foxmulder   SKELFLA there ya go again ..... mister or Mrs whatever you have no Idea about me naive my * !!

Dave   thats why i prefer being pre Neanderthal

SKELFLA   foxmulder Yes, anyone and everyone can speculate. But certain financial instruments and mechanisms are closed to the average Joe. Call up JP Morgan ask for an institutional call account... Good luck with that..

foxmulder   SKELFLA this is simple currency for god when able to exchange I will ! wont need JP

Dave   foxmulder but go join up with those investors willing to pay a premium on dinar

foxmulder   Dave you first !

Dave   sounds sketchy to me......

SKELFLA   foxmulder you're still don't get it. Let's assume that one of my theories is correct. And these institutions are buying the dinar to form a complex trading derivative for the one belt one road initiative for which the participating countries respective central banks use for all cross border trades... How exactly would you benefit if these derivatives have a nominal change on the value of the IQD?

SKELFLA   foxmulder Now the institutions have benefited but you didn't .... So where does that leave you?

Dave   Sparky Hold your Position

Sparky   SKELFLA ...GCC Dinar...?

Dave   dont budge

SKELFLA   Sparky All participating GCC countries have their own respective currencies... So what do you mean?

Dave   IQN......new up and coming convo...hosted by SandyF

Sparky   Dave ... floating, can't help it...

Sparky   SKELFLA one currency for middle East... similar to Euro...

Dave   Camels aint currency

Dave   there yes   here no

SKELFLA   Sparky Yes, its possible but years away if not a good decade too much internal politics to overcome just look at Qatar & KSA ....

SKELFLA   These institutions are not purchasing the IQD in hope of converting it to a GCC currency ten years from now. That I am certain of.

Sparky  SKELFLA ...very interesting...

SKELFLA   Dave You might be surprised how much a quality camel sells for!

SKELFLA  Some go into the millions...

Dave   racing.... big business

SKELFLA   Dave Yup. And subsequently breeding

Dave   SKELFLA Invest in that then?

Sparky   Dave ;camel

Dave   makes sense

Dave   as long as it is not from Iran.......

SKELFLA   Dave lol no man. I currently have a yacht being built will be complete in 18months time.. Going sailing for a good ten years.

Sparky   SKELFLA Camel tricky derby...

foxmulder   SKELFLA one thing I have learned from today ! I will watch what happens no matter what anybody says period >> to be honest SKELFLA i have made money already off this !!! it has paid for what I have I loose nothing !!!! LOL LMAO LIFE IS GRAND LOL

Dave   foxmulder me too

SKELFLA   foxmulder Good luck with that...

foxmulder   Dave thes people have no power here

 Dave   But the Dinar we got M0....Malaki period.....ILLEGAL!

Sparky   SKELFLA ...my pocket rocket yaught, still in my dreams... cruise the east coast...

SKELFLA   Sparky Good boats! Solid long keep very safe. I contacted their yard last year they never responded.

foxmulder   SKELFLA see there you go again !! arrogant soul

SKELFLA   foxmulder It is what is.. But like I said good luck.

Dave   OH OH.....

SKELFLA   Sparky keel not keep

Sparky   SKELFLA ... twin hydro plane... surfs very fast...

Sparky   SKELFLA ... economical also, at high speeds...barely touches the water...

SKELFLA   Sparky sorry man. I thought you were meaning Island Packet

Sparky SKELFLA ... Arrow Cat...

SKELFLA   Anyway had my fun for now. Good to finally talk to Kap.. Disappointed nonetheless. Might check in later.foxmulder watch your step tonight those trailers have a lot of trip hazards! Out.

foxmulder   SKELFLA your derogatory remarks through out the day are a very good indication of who you are !

Sparky... I better start working on my Captain's license...if you think this is about to rv...

Sparky... I'll take a float today...as opposed to a rv never...

Wilder   So if my dinar is not legal. I will own 5th 3rd.

Sparky   Wilder ...not to worry ...if you black light it, it's good... Internationally...

Wilder   Yep

Sparky   Wilder ...like those 2020 budget figures...72 Trillion...as, my new friend Skelfla said..." somethings up "... institutional buy in of IQD...300 million USD is a start...as , projection cost for total re build is 80+ billion dollars...USD...

foxmulder   Sparky not accordingly to the person that was in here earlier

Sparky   foxmulder ...?

foxmulder   Sparky t] it was stated that the currency was not sanctioned to be sold out side of iraq

Sparky   foxmulder ... thought said institutional investors...of which is affiliated...are buying up to 300 billion IQD... by the end of October...

Zig   I forgot to ask if if he knew whether or not Trump has a ton of Dinar......

Sparky   Zig ... now, that would be nice to know...

Portmagaland   Skelfa seems to be on same page of a comment I read on a Ytube channel awile back. The comment went something like this. "I asked an investment banker if the dinar was going to RI/RV and the banker laughed and then proceeded to state they already had plans to wrap up the dinar in some complex derivative scheme." I wonder if that was Skelfa. It's the Guru guy who uses the magic 8 Ball to start off his videos sometimes. Tell you what, his 8-ball has been correct compared to the gurus.

Portmagaland   The magic 8 ball guy is not Skelfa just some dude who reports on dinar

Sandyf   @Kaperoni If they float, it could take months or even years to get to something that we would accept.

When Eygypt floated the currency it lost nearly 50% overnight, how acceptable would that be.

Egypt has floated its currency in a move that has reduced its value by almost 50% against the dollar.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-37857468

sandy   f@xyz Zig making the record straight. Its the % that matters - whether to call it a float or RV

That is wrong. Currencies on a floating exchange rate do not RV, they appreciate/depreciate under market forces.

sandyf   @chattels sandyf The reason I asked is that you are the first person that I have seen move the decimal points on the value of the dinar (1190 to 1.190) as opposed to the zeroes on the currency itself (25,000 to 25)

It is effectively the same thing, depends if you are talking domestic or international. Within the country concerned dual pricing would come into effect. In the case of Iraq for example, a loaf of bread would be either 1000 dinar note of IQD or a 1 dinar note of the new currency.

Internationally the IQD would no longer have any recognised value and the value of the new currency would start at 1000th of the IQD rate on the day the redenomination was implemented.

Within Iraq the IQD would retain an equivalence of 1000:1 for a specified transition period and thereafter only exchangeable at a specific banks.

sandyf   @foxmulder I do not have the documents I'll see what I can dig up but a country can have 2 different rates with their currency but I believe that has something to do with their accounting . But if there is a difference in value to the same currency it is very in significant

That is right to a certain extent but it is not official. Myanmar(Burma) had an international rate of around 6 and a domestic rate of around 900, even the government was using the domestic rate in the accounts. In 2012 the currency was floated to remove the difference.

From 2001-2012, the official exchange rate varied between 5.75 and 6.70 kyats per US dollar (8.20 to 7.00 kyats per euro).

However, the street rate (black market rate), which more accurately took into account the standing of the national economy, has varied from 750 kyats to 1335 kyats per USD (985 to 1475 kyats per EUR). The black market exchange rates (USD to MMK) decrease during the peak of the tourist season in Burma (December to January).

On 2 April 2012, the Central Bank of Myanmar announced that the value of the kyat against the US dollar would float, setting an initial rate of K 818 per US dollar.   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burmese_kyat

Portmagaland   Good evening all. I do dont know about you guys, but Skelfa has my attention.

Portmagaland   I'm sticking with silver from now on. I have enough dinar and this diritave hypothesis seems legit because it's a fiat world and nothing like we are hoping for has happened. Can any of you name an instance in history where the global masses profited because they were allowed to be in the know?

Portmagaland   The Iraqi Dinar has a facebook page, it's no secret.

Portmagaland   It's crazy to think the puppet masters would allow us to have a slice of this pie. I was just hoping and praying that the world was going to change for the better and this time around instead of the too big to fail banks and auto industry being bailed out at the top, it was going to be us at the bottom that got the sunshine this time around.

Portmagaland   I still hold out hope and dont plan on abandoning ship. Plus, you guys are cool to chat with.

Matt   Man, Money, Technology, AI can not Fix this messed up world only the creator can. the fallin angles are the puppet masters thats the only thing that makes sense to me

Portmagaland   Matt https://www.taxheal.com/faq-on-equity-and-currency-derivatives.html

Portmagaland   I'm trying to figure out how they can tie the Dinar into dirivatives that could possibly F us

Portmagaland   Any thoughts?

Portmagaland   Matt I agree with you about the creator

Portmagaland   Matt I agree with the fallen Angel's being the puppet masters and if Armageddon is about to go down, let's get it on. Enough of this Evil Sh** running shotgun on us.

Portmagaland   Anyways, I know most here dont agree with us and some would prefer to leave our religious thoughts out of this, so I'll do my best to direct the convo back to this dirivative theory that sounds all too feasible to me.

Portmagaland   https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_exchange_derivative 

Portmagaland  Currency derivatives are complicated and fir good reason. Most of us wont understand what hit us if this is indeed the route they use to route us. All we will be able to say is we got *, but we wont really understand how we got *.

Portmagaland   Interest rate swaps, fixed for floating tied to LIBOR, which is London Inter-bank offered Rate. We know Shabibi was given a prestigious position in Britain's banking sector. Maybe it was London that is buying up these large quantities of Dinar like Skelfie said. London seems to be the epic center of banking .... Just kicking around ideas

Portmagaland   If the Dinar ends up being tied to derivatives that originate in London, we're f'd.

Portmagaland   London is a cesspool of banking corruption.

Portmagaland   Sounds like Skelfie was talking about foreign exchange options which are agreed at set rates. So, the question earlier is why would they pay a premium for dinar compared to us, maybe the premium payer was promised something in the form of reconstruction projects, oil or you name it. Either way, this sounds more logical than than the Guru version of fantasy island.

Portmagaland   It says the foreign exchange options is the largest and most liquid market of all options and its lightly regulated, which would make it an easy mark for corruption.

Portmagaland   The last part was me interjecting

Portmagaland   Skelfie stated they were paying millions for billions, there must be an underlying agreement obviously because you dont give up millions of dollars, euros or pounds for trillions of Iraqi Dinar that has no value

Matt   Portmagaland I am not religious that is one of many things that desighned to divide us. But I believe in a creator and that is all that can save us.

Portmagaland   Matt I concur

Portmagaland   Matt Serial Brain just posted a video on YouTube

Portmagaland   Asians are selling gold and buying silver   Reports yahoo

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IQD Calls Chat Friday Night 8-30-19 Part 1 of 2

IQD Calls Chat Friday Night 8-30-19 Part 1 of 2

Zig   SKELFLA : You may also enjoy chatting with "Sam I Am"......lol.....that would be interesting as well.....he thinks the whole thing is a scam......

JoeSchmoe   say our usd wasn't what every other currency was pegged, so say it was pegged to the euro. And say our usd was exchanged at 1-1 to that euro. If all of a sudden the usd appreciated in value 10 times to the euro, and I had $100,000 in my account, would that increase in the exchange rate to the euro make me a millionaire?

Sparky   Zig ... everyone's input and opinions help me navigate these waters...

JoeSchmoe  imo, NO it wouldn't

SKELFLA   Zig I know of him... But remember I'm not a proponent of the "overnight" RV I'm just trying to piece together a puzzle concerning these institutional transactions. So far it doesn't appear I'm going to he successful. Kap was one of my last hopes... which was obviously unfounded.

JoeSchmoe   so if what I think above is accurate at all, and if skefla's thoughts are anywhere close to being accurate with 80% of the dinar being in country, then they only have to cover what is out of country

JoeSchmoe   so the 72 trillion isn't what they have to cover

Sparky   JoeSchmoe ...need to cover in country...imo...ie 80 %

SKELFLA   JoeSchmoe What? Why would they only have to cover what is outside of Iraq? You mean to say that Iraq would become the worlds biggest charity to the detriment of their own people? Lol

JoeSchmoe   Sparky why, when dinar is worth a dinar no matter what it is worth to other countries currencies

JoeSchmoe   wouldn't the price of goods just increase? Use my example of IF our usd was pegged to something else

Sparky   JoeSchmoe ... would equate to purchasing power for Iraqis...

JoeSchmoe   I'm just trying to use kap's figures of there not being enough money in the world to cover it. THAT is just using a usd exchange too

SKELFLA   JoeSchmoe You're playing checker economics ... Monetary policy doesn't work like that. I suspect you have listened to breitling one too many times. I could list a dozen things he has stated that a patently false.

JoeSchmoe   imo, all these that say this are insinuating that iraqis that hold say 1 million dinar, are all of a sudden going to become millionaires

JoeSchmoe  SKELFLA i have never listened to him. I am just trying to use what common sense I can think of

SKELFLA   JoeSchmoe Fair enough...

JoeSchmoe  maybe if the iraqis exchanged their dinar for usd, and used usd forever.

Sparky   JoeSchmoe when the IQD rises in value, they can buy more at the store, with less Dinar...if my logic is correct...

JoeSchmoe   Sparky I always thought the prices on goods would reflect the rise

JoeSchmoe   and those prices wwould increase

Sparky   JoeSchmoe ...why ?...

JoeSchmoe  I'm not saying I am right, just trying to use common sense

Matt   So we're all speculating and we all have our own opinions

JoeSchmoe   Sparky use my example from above

JoeSchmoe   about IF our usd was pegged to the euro

JoeSchmoe   instead of having every currency pegged to us

JoeSchmoe   what would happen to my $100,000 in the bank if the rate rose, say for a obvious stupid example, 10 times. Would I then be a millionair?

Sparky   JoeSchmoe ...not sure of why you would think products would rise in cost...

JoeSchmoe   Sparky maybe I'm just getting confused, as goes with this whole thing. But I think something would happen to reflect the increase

Sparky   JoeSchmoe ... again, not sure...but I have an account in Iraq... just in case... digital / electronic...

JoeSchmoe  Sparky through warka?    or forex

Sparky   JoeSchmoe yup...

JoeSchmoe   would that money, if an increase occured, be in dinar or dollars?

Sparky   JoeSchmoe easily convertible...as to hold an account, must have both USD, ...and IQD... I m currently getting 6.5 % interest in my Warka account...

JoeSchmoe   Sparky are you of iraqi or middle eastern decent? Not saying it matters, just wondering because you have this.

Sparky   JoeSchmoe nope, Irish American...lived here all my life...

JoeSchmoe   gotcha. Just opened the account to deal with this whole thing?

Zig   Sparky : Did you ever try and withdraw some of your money in Warka??

JoeSchmoe   might not be a bad thing to play the iraq stock market, if youre smart enough to do it.

Sparky   JoeSchmoe yup, and to try and cover my bases, if they change currency...ie...IQR...

Sparky   Zig no...not even sure if I ever will be able to...

JoeSchmoe   Sparky yea, that went through my mind back when warka, or whatever it was, made it so we could open accounts

JoeSchmoe   but I wwanted to have it more tangible, that I could actually hold it

Sparky   JoeSchmoe ... agree... I prefer it in my hand...

JoeSchmoe   Sparky do you have ALL your dinar with warka?    or some in hand too

Sparky   JoeSchmoe ...maybe, 10 % in Warka...

JoeSchmoe   smart   okay, enough dinar. Got better things to do today lol

Sparky   JoeSchmoe ...will probably go via a brokerage firm when the rate changes...and, Warka is on line with the ISX...

Sparky   ...Citi Bank will be my first call...

Baxter   8-30-2019 Newshound Guru Jeff ...keep in mind Iraq is still under UN Chapter 7 sanctions...Notice how the UN is back in Iraq over the last few days...Iraq is fulfilling its obligations to get out of Ch. 7 to become international. And notice how they're doing it in Q3. Article quote "Commitment show by Iraq in fulfilling all remaining international obligations..." This is showing you Iraq is on its way out of Ch 7 and that's why the UN is there now. This is huge...

Zig   Baxter : I invited Jeff a couple of times recently.....he asked for the link but so far has not come.....

Baxter   Zig.. I know you did..   probably looked at us..and ran

Zig   LOL......True.....

Sparky.   .. SKELFLA may be the real deal, let's give a chance...

Zig   Who knows...   I am skeptical of everything.....but it can be fun.......

Sparky   ... interesting input by Skelfla...think it's legit...

Young_SC   Sparky you think everything is legit so why not the other gurus like Beni lol

Sparky   Young_SC ...can you dispute anything said by Skelfla?

Dave   Sparky SKelfa?   a lopstert

SparkyDave yes, new contributor to the room...

Dave   Sparky Contributing what....../

Sparky   Dave ... thoughts,    

Dave   school buds in high places...?

missme   If this is an opinionated chat, why is anyone penalized for challenging the opinions of others?

SKELFLA   You guys are quite the bunch!

Dave   SKELFLA HOWDY.....

Dave   welcome to the Asylum

SKELFLA  Tebow And what is it you do exactly? From what I've seen nothing you say has any substance whatsoever..

Tebow   SKELFLA From what I see neither do you!

Sparky   SKELFLA no offense meant...

SKELFLA   Sparky none taken... I expect people to take shots I would do the same.

SKELFLA   Dave I was very disappointed with my discussion with Kap today for someone who has been in this thing for as long as he has and purports to have done his research he is a little clueless about the mechanics of global monetary systems. Not putting him down just a little disappointed.

Young_SCSKEL   FLA its better for someone to stay quiet then to come into a chat room to create false narratives

Young_SC   My CBI contact??

SKELFLA  Young_SC What false narratives have I been propagating?

Young_SC   SKELFLA the amount of dinar in CIRCULATION

Young_SC   NO ONE KNOWS    PLAIN AND SIMPLE

SKELFLA   Dave The very fact you claim my statements are b* contradicts your own argument!

Dave   wrong Kap DOES!

missme   SKELFLA If you honestly feel that way, why does what he say bother you? It seems to me that you are secure in your opinions?

Young_SC    SKELFLA And your CBI contact nonsense talk

Dave   SKELFLA not refering to you at All?

Sparky   Young_SC ...can you prove wrong yet ?

Young_SC   NO CBI OFFICIAL WILL EVER LET CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION OUT TO ANYONE

SKELFLA   Young_SC Once again I need to clarify myself! The facts are clear there are over 42Trillion in circulation... That's a fact!

Sparky   Young_SC ... consultant...only shared basic information..

Tebow   Zig I'm doing pretty good at staying out of the gutter, huh?

SKELFLA  Young_SC What confidential information would that be?

Dave   SKELFLA How much of that is CBI currently sitting on?

Dave   just because they could be sitting on it need nort mean ots out of circulation

missme   Even though I can appreciate all opinions, in my opinion, much talk is pointless because we simply are not well-informed enough of what the CBI is actually doing or going to do....it's all speculation...

SKELFLA   Young_SC Nonsense talk really ? When and if Baxter contacts me I'll send him a video of a seminar where I'm the guest speaker ! A CBI seminar five years ago where a blond eyed European ( that would be me ) is speaking Arabic during the whole call!

Young_SC    SKELFLA Where is your proof?    I'll wait

Tebow   missme correct

Zig   WE WANT PROOF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dave   Zig some prefer crystal balls

Young_SC   Dave lol

Young_SC   SKELFLA but yet you are here? For what reason

SKELFLA   Young_SC Honestly I'm wondering myself... Originally it was to have a chat with Kap. Now that's done .... I suppose it must be ego... Not sure ... I find it entertaining for sure

Dave   SKELFLA How much of that note count is CBI currently sitting on?

SKELFLA   missme I don't know other than an educated guess. But I know for a fact how much they have stored outside Iraq mainly by throughout out Europe.

Dave   Air Force One is loaded with dinar i hear

Sparky   Dave ... billions over Baghdad...

missme   SKELFLA Educated guess is not sufficient....and what you claim to know still does not warrant anything conclusively concerning the CBI and its desired outcome....

SKELFLA   missme really ? Okay I'll give you something ! Even Kap will not know this.... The IMF has a redemption programme in place to buy Dinar at a premium from pre approved institutions that have purchased Dinar including foreign central banks such as the ECB.

Sparky   missme ... sound educated...

Tebow   Sparky Google it

missme   SKELFLA Your information still does not warrant a conclusion of what the CBI is going to do....that's my point! You yourself has already agreed to that as to your cumulative theories....

Sparky   SKELFLA ... interesting...

Sparky   Tebow ... how do you spell Google ?

SKELFLA   missme What? Lol if you are going to take me on at least get your grammar right! "Warrant a conclusion" don't try so hard ! Lol

Dave   SKELFLA Could you provide the link for that

SKELFLA   missme But yes , you are correct I don't know what the CBI's intentions are and I'm pretty sure neither do they !

SKELFLA   Dave To what ? A link to what ?

Dave   SKELFLA Nor did they when I first invested......

Tebowpay attention

missme   SKELFLA I'm not engaging you as to your allegedly intellectual prowess on the IQD....you can question my grammar all day long as I'm not in a chat for grammar purposes...thank you for your admission that I am right as that is my point to you and everyone else...

Dave   The IMF has a redemption programme in place to buy Dinar at a premium from pre approved institutions that have purchased Dinar including foreign central banks such as the ECB. SKELFLA

Dave   aand how much of this note count is CBI sitting on currently

SKELFLA   Dave Its not public knowledge..and yes, I know the criticism that will now be slung my my but its a fact. And that will definitely be made public before the end of the year.

Sparky   SKELFLA ... still on your side...

Dave   ASked Kap too....no response

SKELFLA   Dave If he had known he would have said something during our discussion today. He didn't.

Sparky   SKELFLA ... sounds legit...

Dave   Sparky speculative at best!

Tebow   Dave yes

Sparky   Tebow ...S said previously, not personally invested... just seeking opinions as to why institutional investors would pay a very high premium, to get in this game...

SKELFLA   Sparky That's 100% correct.

SKELFLA   But TEBOW then proceeded to call me a dinar pumped?!?! Lol

Dave   SKELFLA BUY DINAR CHEAP ON EBAY >>>WHY PAY A PREMIUM?

Sparky Dave ...that would be the question...

Dave   must be BAD investors      SKELFLA ILL take a DIMe NOWWWWWWWWW

SKELFLA   Dave Good point... But the dinar the institutions are buying are in quantities than no reseller could come close to filling plus as I have stated previously there are other prerequisites including but not limited to CBI approval.

SKELFLA   Dave Also Dave with all the KYC & AML regulations in place do you really think an institution is going to be allowed to buy Dinar via eBay??? What compliance department would approve that?

Sparky    SKELFLA ...and am seeking a profitable outcome... otherwise, I wouldn't be wasting my time...

Sparky   SKELFLA ...only constant is change, and time is our most precious commodity...

Dave   TRy toronto dinar exchange.......buy 100m dinar today

SKELFLA   Technically the CBI is not allowed to sell IQD offshore. Something even Kap doesn't know.. So things become very complicated as the institutions clearly stipulate CBI clearance .....

SKELFLA   Dave You keep missing my points... Those exchanges cannot provide the documentation not even close... Its a completely different ball game.

Dave   SKELFLA I see next chat will be no documentation.......counterfeit

foxmulder   SKELFLA if the C.B.I is not allowed to sell offshore or out of country then please clarify off shore ! as far as I know it is legal to sell I.Q.D in the US , amount of sales should not matter .

Sparky   SKELFLA .. your only talking 300 million USD...

SKELFLA   foxmulder Incorrect... None of the dinars sold through those exchanges have been legally sanctioned by the CBI. The majority of that Dinar was taken out of iraq illegally ...

foxmulder   SKELFLA I will not need documentation if and when I exchange.

Sparky   foxmulder ... correct...

foxmulder   SKELFLA b* it is allowed through the US treasury period . if it was questionable then we could not buy it

foxmulder   the C.B.I knows exactly about the dinars sold in the US

SKELFLA   foxmulder As I have stated previously I'm not an believer in a mythical overnight RV. That is clearly an economical and mathematical impossibility... I have a huge disdain for all the b* these so called gurus propagate.

Dave   foxmulder thought big wigs in banking would know the rules

foxmulder   SKELFLA I never said I was either , but I do know currencies fluctuate ! that is my hope a swing in the positive direction.

SKELFLA   foxmulder I'm not disputing that ! Yes of course they know about the speculation they have made money of it. And its not illegal to own dinar. But technically its illegal for Iraq to export dinar specifically to speculators.

Dave   foxmulder i think SKELFLA is trying to tell us we are allscrewed

foxmulder   SKELFLA all currency trading is speculating > as is all trading of stocks and currencies.

SKELFLA   Dave No not necessarily. But I also believe that whatever it is that is going on may not necessarily impact the average speculator.

Tebow   US Treasury Registered:

SafeDinar.com is registered with the United States Treasury as a Money Service Business (MSB). Seems legal to me!

Sparky   Dave ...no...he knows only that institution investors, are playing...

https://www.iqdcalls.com/chat/

IQD Calls Chat With Kaperoni 8-30-19

IQD Calls Chat With Kaperoni 8-30-19

Zig   Hi Kap

Kaperoni   I would like to know what you claim I said to be horse crap?

Zig   Kaperoni is here

SKELFLA   In fact the only Arabs I trust are the Qataris and the Iranians which are technically Persians... When it comes to business. You can forget about Saudis and Emirates.

Zig   SKELFLA : Kap asked you a ? above.....

 SKELFLA   Hi Kap... Glad you joined its the primary reason I'm on this board.. First was your claim about China's monetary supply. You completely misread the published figures...

Zig   @madness: Didn't you want to speak with Kap??

Kaperoni   I don't follow China so I don't specifically know what you're talking about but I don't claim to know anything about China

Kaperoni   And the only research I ever did what it is when it pertain to Vietnam and the scam of selling Dong

SKELFLA   Kaperoni First of all, compared to the majority of clowns on these boards you are by far the one with the most reasoning. But you claimed that China only had 55billion Yuan when in fact its in excess of 55 trillion... This was a conversation you had on twitter.

Zig   SKELFLA : Did you mean Iraq's money supply??

SKELFLA   Zig Yes he was having a debate about Iraq's money supply but he sighted China as an example

Kaperoni   Again I'm not research in China but I'm sure it's a simple search that could find the exact amount and if I'm wrong I stand corrected on that but I doubt it's 55 trillion

Kaperoni   I know one thing that it's documented both at the CBI and the IMF that Iraq has an excessive 42 trillion dinar in circulation. Which no country could ever RV substantially at

Zig   Kaperoni : He agrees about no overnight RV.....so you have that in common.....

SKELFLA   Kaperoni Fair enough... There was some other statements you have made recently which are patently wrong. But truthfully I don't want to get in an argument with you. I would prefer it if you gave your take on the IQD being used as the bases for trade for a complex trading derivative. Meaning there are currently institutions by large amounts of Dinar at a significant premium. 20/1

PM Matt   SKELFLA What news source do you prefer? I often watch RT English version

SKELFLA   Kaperoni Some transactions took place late last year paying as little as USD 10m per Billion IQD more recently the institutions have been paying in excess of USD20m per 1 Billion.... Any theories?

Kaperoni   I have no knowledge of any large blocks of dinar being purchased only rumors and that goes back to even the Russians buying dinar at times. But unless it's in print in some capacity I'm not interested

SKELFLA   Matt Im not a conspiracy theorists all news mediums have a tint towards a certain political standpoint. I listen to CNN a lot purely due to the fact that in travel a lot and most hotels have CNN

SKELFLA   Kaperoni I'm not concerned about whether you have knowledge or not. Just if you have an theory on why they would be and why such a significant premium..

SKELFLA   Kaperoni Just a theory .... If you were forced to come up with one ....

Kaperoni   Zig, there's so many factors that come into play that would make no sense for Iraq to ever RV. Most contradict all of the policies that a central bank stands for

Kaperoni   I don't speculate

Matt   SKELFLA Oh my the Clinton news network / Corrupt news network really disappointed to hear that bummer

30 Aug 19, 01:03 PM Matt   You have to admit CNN is been proven to be very biased

SKELFLA   Kaperoni You've disappointed me. Coming up with theories is not speculating. After all everything you post is speculation. So that's a cop out.

Matt   CNN has No journalism just scripted

SKELFLA   Matt Yes, as is every single network.

Matt   RT less so I find

Kaperoni   Not true at all. What I post is well-documented and anyone who wants to validate that can look it up themselves my information comes from professional documents, articles, reports, etc.

SKELFLA   Matt The closest you will get to unfiltered news. Is the BBC world service.

Matt   Not sure I agree with that sorry to interrupt

SKELFLA   Kaperoni Fine. But with all your years research surely it can't be too much of a stretch to come up with a theory on why institutions are covertly buying large quantities of IQD and paying a significant premium.

SKELFLA   Kaperoni Just assume its true... Surely you could come up with a theory on why they would be executing these trades...? No?

 Kaperoni   I don't randomly go out in search of some answer to something that is not factual. Provide me with some source proving that what you're talking about exists and I will research it otherwise it's just another speculative post

SKELFLA   Kaperoni Then we find ourselves at a dead end. It would have been good if you theorised a little. But I'll respect your stance although claiming you don't speculate is a false truth as literally everything you post whether based on research or not is a combination of assumptions and thus speculations!

Kaperoni   I don't know your education or skill level and I don't want to insult you in any way but if you understand the terminology used to discuss monetary policy it should be very clear to you what the IMF told the Central Bank of Iraq to do in 2013. The IMF Article IV Consultation clearly lays out the direction for the dinar.

Doug_W   it surely IS nice to see sevility in here today

Kaperoni   That's your opinion Skelfla but I disagree.

SKELFLA   Kaperoni Both my education level and on ground experience in the GCC and Iraq is more than sufficient. I have personally consulted for the CBI. Care to expand on these Russian trades you heard about ? Or was it just rumours ?

Kaperoni   And subsequent moves accomplishments since then have indicated they are following that directive

Kaperoni   No the Russian trades were nothing but rumor but similar in the sense that they were buying up dinar at times

Zig Doug_W :    Civility as well.....lol.... :na;

SKELFLA   Kaperoni And these Russian trades ( rumours) stipulate that a premium was paid ?

Kaperoni   I never researched it because it's speculative and rumor and I had no interest

SKELFLA   Kaperoni Fair enough.

Kaperoni   But I will comment on the dinar that is outside the country. Because I was able to prove factually in a professional document from the CBI

SKELFLA    comment on what exactly? The quantity ?

Kaperoni   Some have stated that the dinar sold outside the country was done illegally or done without approval. And that is not the case a specific document from the CBI going back to when Shabibi was in charge talked about a "controlled leak"

 SKELFLA   Kaperoni And has your research come across the fact China has been negotiating currency swaps with several countries one of which will be Iraq in the near future.

Young_SC   Lolol@ professional document

Kaperoni   Yes I think anyone who researches this knows that some countries have done currency swaps with others or transactions only in currencies of their particular countries

SKELFLA   Kaperoni You're sort off correct. During Shabibi's tenure that may have been the case its no longer the case. This is one of the reasons why the institutions are paying a premium as the tranches have to be approved directly by the CBI.

SKELFLA   Kaperoni Yes but specific to Iraq. ( currency swaps)

Young_SC   Kap cried out RV 5 years ago now its a ohh no such thing, there can only be a float now because of so much dinar out in circulation 

Young_SC   Lolol@ Research

 Kaperoni   Young, I like everyone else got into this investment wanting to prove one way or another the potential, and so yes I was a believer in a RV until 2012 when should baby was run out of the country and significant documentation surfaced otherwise at which time I announced that that no longer was my opinion. I am sure you will find just about every individual who's invested in dinar initially had such thoughts.

SKELFLA   Young_SC Kap is right. An overnight RV is a mathematical & economical impossibility. Sorry but that's just the truth.

Kaperoni   Error above..Shabibi

Young_SC   SKELFLA where is your CBI contact 

Zig   Kaperoni : When I first go into this I listened to Tony.....thought I would be a millionaire every weekend.....lol

Kaperoni   Exactly Zig

SKELFLA Young_SC    The fact is I'm not directly invested in the IQD my interest is solely in finding out more about the current play on going with the IQD by several institutions. I don't believe it has anything to do with an RV but I know that these institutions are not in the habit of losing money.

Kaperoni   I was a believer in some capacity for the first 3 years I was invested that some type of RV could occur. But I have been steadfast since 2013 that is not possible

SKELFLA   Young_SC    Five of my classmates now hold senior positions in both the CBI & Ministry of Finance. I consult for three of main royal families in the GCC. I speak fluent Arabic and Farsi. Believe what you want .... My motives are completely different when it comes to the IQD and the majority of people here.

SKELFLA   Young_SC I missed that last post but from what I did see you were obviously having another dig. That's fine.

Kaperoni   Skelfla, you will find that most of these chat rooms or websites pump the artificial belief of some overnight riches and those that follow them can get quite insulting because they don't want their dream to die.

Kaperoni   I have had many personal attacks, emails messages sent to me over the years

SKELFLA   Kaperoni LOL yes, I have gathered that. Frankly, I came on here out of a combination or boredom and a desire to chat with you. I have already received a fair share of flak.

Kaperoni   I have to go. Nice chatting with you but you can always reach me on Twitter or at DinarAlert.webs.com

SKELFLA   Kaperoni Copy that.

Young_SC   Kaperoni brother stop forcing your in accurate false info claiming it to be facts when it is not. It is your opinion and it stops at that. Its getting annoying now because your opinions about the dinar is filled with major potholes and you keep feeding it to newbies and to others as if you know everything about how currency works.

You are in no position to dictate on who does what with their currency because the more you feed this opinion to which i strongly disagree with the more manipulation you are causing to those who do not understand

Sparky   Young_SC forcing ?

Sparky   Young_SC an opinion only...if understood...forces your brain to think about it... nothing more...

Zig   Kaperoni : Bye, Kap....always fun.....lol

Young_SC   Sparky define forcing

Zig   Kaperoni's tweets are also posted at https://www.iqdcalls.com/kaperoni.html

Young_SC   Kaperoni you come on the internet preaching and telling people that RI/RV is impossible because back in 2010 or 2013 this happened and that happened

Sparky   Young_SC ...simply processing ideas through your brain...you will decide which ones resonate with your individual self...

Young_SC   Nothing relevant

Zig   Sparky : I like your style in here....have an open mind.......

SKELFLA   That was a bit of a let down. I have to hand it to Kap he stands by what he says and from what I gather he's profiting in any substantial way which is recommendable when you see all these clown gurus monetising b*. But to claim he doesn't speculate is a falsehood as that is exactly what everyone is doing. Myself included.

https://www.iqdcalls.com/chat/

IQD Calls Chat Early Friday 8-30-19 Part 2 of 2

IQD Calls Chat Early Friday 8-30-19 Part 2 of 2

foxmulder   SKELFLA I believe you are right. I don't think solid information is going to be advertised

foxmulder   There are certain ways to achieve that goal right

SKELFLA   That's why I'm on the fence when it comes to an RV. My strongest theory is what I posted before about the Dinar being used as a basis of a trading derivative for the OBOR initiative...

SKELFLA   Think of it as a "poor man's" reserve currency.

foxmulder   Whether the term RV is correct or re-denomination , dropping the zeros and having their currency at .1186 ...is not making it stronger IMO

Zig   SKELFLA : "a trading derivative for the OBOR initiative."........Please explain that in a simple way for some of us who don't know what the hell that is all about......lol

foxmulder   SKELFLA at some point it will no longer be an exotic currency status.

SKELFLA   foxmulder yes and know...becomes re-denomination will give it the perception of being a stronger currency. Which when it comes to the Arab mindset is just as important as anything.

foxmulder   Perception and reality are two different entities, I'm sure even in the middle east they desire to have a currency that has significant impact and value

SKELFLA   Zig It just a theory I came up based on the information I am privy to. Its not a 100% conclusive. But the Chinese will need to form a back up currency to form a backbone for their one belt one road initiative... To replace the USD and as a back up to their currency swaps... The dinar is definitely an option.

SKELFLA   foxmulder True. If and when it loses it status of being an exotic currency there will definitely be an opportunity to make significant profits on the IQD but this may be reserved for the institutions and like I've said whether that translates into profits for the average speculator is anyone's guess. I don't know.

 foxmulder   SKELFLA currency is currency no matter who holds it , not sure just institutional investors will benefit. Only by shear volume

SKELFLA   foxmulder The institutions have mechanisms in the form of complex derivatives and other monetary tools to make far more money than the average Joe holding currency. Like it or not that's just a fact.

Young_SC   SKELFLA i take Baxter's ice cream and eat it is what i do ;ice-cream;

SKELFLA   Young_SC LOL what does that mean?

Young_SC   It means that i love to eat ice cream

Foxmulder   SKELFLA if and when they increase or change the value , the average joe will be able to exchange . And I do understand there can be 2 different values .

SKELFLA   foxmulder Not necessarily. Central Banks involved in the one belt could form an agreement to trade the Dinar in a closed shop fashion where the value to the outside world would remain essentially the same.

foxmulder   SKELFLA the one belt is something being looked at . Is it fully implemented.

SKELFLA   Catch you guys later. Out.

foxmulder   To be completed in 2049

Zig   FYI:.....What is China's one belt one road initiative?

China's 'One Belt, One Road' initiative. The 'One Belt, One Road' (OBOR) initiative is a Chinese economic and strategic agenda by which the two ends of Eurasia, as well as Africa and Oceania, are being more closely tied along two routes–one overland and one maritime.

foxmulder   Zig this is something not even actually implemented , perhaps in a very small way as of now.

Young_SC   Every naysayers answer to why IQD cannot revalue because Iraq cannot account for 42 trillion dinar lolol

Tebow   SKELFLA Like you have any substance. You like so many Gurus have nothing! Hide behind your statements and provide no proof. Simple as that as are you!

Zig   Young_SC : I don't know if I would classify him as a complete Naysayer......lol

 foxmulder   This gent doesn't hold dinar , his interest is a bit different than your average dinar holder .

Young_SC   Exact words in my head   Shows no proof    What else is new

Tebow   Funny how every single guru has a contact in the CBI and still knows nothing.

Young_SC   The oldest slogan within this investment is that my contact in the CBI 😂

Doug_W   Tebow R U Ready?

Tebow   SKELFLA foxmulder Not necessarily. Central Banks involved in the one belt could form an agreement to trade the Dinar in a closed shop fashion where the value to the outside world would remain essentially the same. TOTAL b*! TRYING TO SCARE PEOPLE!

foxmulder   Tebow all this drama when the simple fact is,that we wait and see what the final outcome is . And LET THE REAL CBI CONTACTS let us know the facts ...

foxmulder   Tebow I dont scare LMAO

Zig   Peeps in here don't scare easily.....otherwise we would be long gone.....lol

Tebow   foxmulder yes and these no nothings spewing there Crapola like the know something come out of the woodwork with no proof to back their statements and opinions.

 foxmulder   Tebow T Iraqi dinar is not even traded internationally until it is we know nothing

foxmulder   Tebow Agreed

madness   could not help but read that statement that they will have a closed value to the outside world, that has to be the dumbest thing I think I have read this year yet, that one takes the cake

foxmulder   madness stop LOLim dying

foxmulder   I do not have the documents I'll see what I can dig up but a country can have 2 different rates with their currency but I believe that has something to do with their accounting . But if there is a difference in value to the same currency it is very in significant

madness   gee maybe they will also have their own hidden forex exchange rate too so the world cannot see, only a guru with special dinar powers will be able to see the value

Tebow   Baxter just remember scammers are out there. Anyone on the internet can post credentials that can be FAKE. If someone want people to believe them they need post to all and not hide.

madness   I sent the cbi an email lets see if they respond, this is 2 times, they must not have anyone checking there emails

Tebow   madness what no CBI contacts

Tebow   Lol

xyz    Tebow Z got a cbi contact

madness   no I have no contacts, I just sent them an email to see if they respond

Tebow   xyz I know you do, he reports everything back to me!

madness    that is funny, all these gurus have a cbi contact and a treasury contact too, how convenient, a real federal treasury agent for the US Gov. would not even let one of these gurus pay to smell there dirty socks, let alone tell them anything

Tebow   After many years of watching this b*,. They all use the same line, got a CBI contact, can't show any proof, name call when not believed.

 madness   yeah or a military contact, or an iraq contact, bank president contacts, what are they posting on dinar sites for, they should be rich with all there so called contacts

Tebow   How come these people with so called important contacts hang around chatrooms. If they are so important this would the last place I'd be expressing my economic theory.

Young_SC   madness is that what SKEFLA said???

Young_SC   A closed value to the outside world??

Young_SC   Tebow lolol

Young_SC   Indeed you would think its private information that cannot be shared with anyone

 Sparky   Young_SC ... I could tell you, but I signed a NDA...

Sparky   ...No Da Admiral,... and, Da general...

SKELFLA   Tebow never said I had important contacts.  

Sparky   SKELFLA ...why are the institutional investors paying such a high premium, .02 USD per Dinar..?.. thanks.... if you can elaborate, would be appreciated...

SKELFLA   Sparky Not sure why I should bother.

Sparky   SKELFLA thanks for that, but didn't really address my question...

Sparky   SKELFLA ...IQD as silk road derivative is an interesting perspective...

Sparky   SKELFLA ...been buying for 18 months ? ... institutions amassing IQD at a significant premium... interesting, and potentially positive news !

SKELFLA   Sparky not sure you get , obviously you don't. Why would I put my 2 cents in if previously you're going to make claims about my credibility.

Sparky   SKELFLA ...huh ?

Sparky   SKELFLA ... simply asking for clarification...

SKELFLA   madness Really? Do the research on the "currency swaps" China has being doing with countries. Especially some African nations and if you're smart enough ( obviously not) you'll find two currency swaps that were executed at rates far different to their respective public exchange rates.

SKELFLA   Sparky I've already addressed this question. I have half a dozen theories two of which I've already posted. They are theories I'm not some conman guru just enjoy swapping theories with educated people  

Sparky   SKELFLA ... just sayin'...your buying at 20 times what I pay...

SKELFLA   Sparky I never said I paid that... But I know of institutions who have paid that fairly recently... Why? As I've already said before I don't have a concrete answer just THEORIES.

Sparky   SKELFLA ...oh, ok...you don't need to get all defensive... I / we just want to learn more about this investment / speculation...

Sparky   SKELFLA ...and what you have brought in, is very positive...imo...

SKELFLA   Sparky As do I. I'm not claiming to have all the answers but I'm a lot closer to this thing than the majority   on this board  .... Whether you believe that is entirely your decision...

SKELFLA   Call me arrogant ...but I'll go up against anyone who wants to belittle my statements... The most insightful person to date has been Kap until he made comments on a few things that I know to be total horse crap. So he went down in my books significantly.

Sparky   SKELFLA ... I'll take you at your word...until and unless you prove yourself otherwise... just wondering why institutional investors are willing to pay that high a premium...guess you are wondering also... even the principles are not privy to that information...thanks...

SKELFLA   Sparky 100% bang on. We are not currently privy to the reasoning and strategy behind these transactions. And myself and my associates are literally bang in the middle. And all of us have theories unfortunately the main theories do not include an RV. Could we be wrong ? Absolutely!

Sparky   SKELFLA ...can you elaborate on the quantities purchased ?

SKELFLA   Only the ones I have first hand knowledge of ..... There is also more than one institution involved. But to date I know of in excess of 50 billion dinar that has been successfully executed on. The major tranches are earmarked to begin in September and October and should be completed by November. I estimate those tranches will total in excess of 250 billion Dinar.

Sparky   SKELFLA very interesting. Thank you...

Sparky   SKELFLA ...my guess would be Reconstruction firms setting up... approx 300 million USD...hard currency...

Sparky   ...may get into ISX...

SKELFLA   No problem. And I understand the scepticism ... If what I say is true why would I come on a public board and make the statements I'm making... I'm wondering that myself ! Lol but at the same time I'm just passing the time and picking peoples brains is just something I enjoy doing.. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Maybe there's someone out there than can put the pieces together.

Sparky   SKELFLA ok, thanks again...

 SKELFLA   Sparky  .. Your theory about construction firms would be valid except it doesn't explain the premium that's why my favourite theory is that the hard currency will form the basis of a derivative for trade.

 Sparky   SKELFLA yes, very interesting indeed..

Zig   SKELFLA : Aren't you glad you came??.....lol

Sparky   SKELFLA thanks for sharing...

 SKELFLA   Sparky But the one thing I do agree with Kap on is an overnight "RV/RI" is an impossibility. In my mind its an economical and mathematical impossibility. Also and I'm going to get stick for this but if such an event was going to take place I'm pretty confident my people in the Middle East and in Iraq would have given me a heads up... Which obviously they haven't.

Matt   SKELFLA Where are you from if you don't mind me asking

SKELFLA   Matt I was born In New Zealand... But grew up in the Middle East. Went to school in Sharjah during the Iran/Iraq was that's were I learnt Arabic & Farsi. My parents opted to send me to an Arabic school rather than an international one.

SKELFLA   * Iran/ Iraq WAR

Zig   We used to have a member named "Trade" who also claimed to have contacts.....another was "Wiley" I believe.....they used to say that there was far more Dinar printed than we would ever believe.....hundreds of trillions......Trade left because he claimed he was warned to shut up.....

SKELFLA  Zig first all, I don't claim I have contacts pertaining to an RV which the gurus keep bashing on about. But a large majority of my classmates are now in significant positions throughout the Middle East including Iraq.

SKELFLA   Zig How long ago did this mythical "Trade" leave?

Zig   SKELFLA : Not sure....at least several years.....the Mod may know.....

Zig   This chat started in early 2015.....

SKELFLA   Zig Ah OK.

Zig   Trade got into many fights with people who did not believe him.....

SKELFLA   There is a substantial amount of Dinar outside of Iraq but hundreds of trillions seems to be somewhat of a stretch.

Zig   Can't blame people for being skeptical....

SKELFLA   Zig And what did he claim ? What was his general theory?

Zig   SKELFLA : Been so long I don't remember....lol

SKELFLA   Zig I don't blame people at all. I've met and worked with my fair share of fantasists and total BSers over the years.

Zig   In general people did not like what Trade had to say.....was negative......

SKELFLA   Zig So basically he said there would be no RV?

Zig   Not the way we all hoped it would go down.....

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