IQD CALLS Chat Thursday Night 11-14-19

IQD CALLS Chat Thursday Night 11-14-19

chattels   Iraqi Minister of Defense: Iraqi Security Forces are not shooting protesters. This is done by a 3rd party. Our examination of ammunition & tear gas canisters used against protesters proves they are not the kind used by Iraqi government forces. http://mobp.as/0jK5p

chattels   Iraqi documents: the ammunition used to target protesters was imported by PMF (Hashd) from Iran. Ministry of Interior has returned the ammunition to PMF because it is past its expiration date. http://mobp.as/jOK5p

chattels   BAGHDAD / NINA / The House of Representatives has lifted its session for the day, confirming that it will continue to hold its sessions next week. https://ninanews.com/Website/News/Details?key=797322

chattels   BAGHDAD / NINA / The House of Representatives has set laws to be voted on at its next session.

The media department of the council said that the Integrity and Graft Law will be voted on - Amending the Law of Provincial and Districts Councils, Proposed Abolition of Privileges Law, Unified Retirement Law - Health Insurance Law - Olympic Committee Law. https://ninanews.com/Website/News/Details?key=797325

chattels   BAGHDAD / NINA / Prime Minister Adel Abdul-Mahdi congratulated our national team on its victory over the Iranian national team, praising the performance of the Mesopotamian lions, and the victory that united Iraqis and celebrated by citizens and their security forces under the banner of Iraq. https://ninanews.com/Website/News/Details?Key=797347

chattels   BAGHDAD / NINA / Prime Minister Adel Abdul Mahdi discussed with parliamentary integrity the issue of termination of agencies.

A statement from his office said that Abdul-Mahdi received the chairman and members of the Parliamentary Integrity Committee.

He explained that "during the meeting discussed the role played by the Commission on Integrity and Cooperation in the fight against corruption and the preservation of public funds to implement decisions and reform measures, as well as the issue of termination of agencies."

The committee affirmed "its support for the government's efforts to fight corruption, dismantle its system and expose the corrupt." https://ninanews.com/Website/News/Details?key=797310

chattels   Is Iran trying to hijack Iraqi protesters’ demands?   Omar Sattar November 14, 2019

Read more: https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2019/11/iraq-protests-constitution.html#ixzz65Ix8G2By

chattels   BAGHDAD — In reaction to continuing mass protests that began Oct. 1, the Supreme Judicial Council is reviewing the Iraqi Constitution and will submit proposed amendments to parliament — though protesters fear that will only delay action on their demands.

Parliament has formed an Amendment Committee that is to complete its recommendations within four months, aiming to answer protesters’ demands for reforms to end corruption and the electoral quota system, which is based on religious and ethnic affiliations.

However, suggesting that the primary aim of the popular protests is for the government to amend the constitution is ironic, as they are calling for the current government to resign before elections are organized under a new law with UN supervision

Read more: https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2019/11/iraq-protests-constitution.html#ixzz65IxSoDDL

chattels   "The priority should be for a new election law that adopts direct individual voting and multiconstituency elections under full UN supervision. The future parliament will be the one to amend the constitution. ... The current parliament is discussing constitutional amendments with the aim of wasting time and delaying the discussion of a fair electoral bill.”

Read more: https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2019/11/iraq-protests-constitution.html#ixzz65IxanR8H

chattels   Arguably the amendment of the Constitution by a corrupt government is akin to putting the fox in charge of the henhouse, eh ?

chattels   Regarding the call for a new election law, Iraqi President Barham Salah and the Cabinet this week each drew up drafts for one and may combine their proposals, according to the state-run Iraqi News Agency.

The president's version calls for reducing the number of parliament members, allowing for younger candidates and forming a new electoral commission without using the quota system on which the current commission was formed. However, the next stop for the proposals is the same parliament the protesters reject.

Read more: https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2019/11/iraq-protests-constitution.html#ixzz65Iy1zjCu

chattels   As for constitutional amendments, the various political blocs have expressed three differing stances. Shiites — in particular the Fatah alliance, which is affiliated with Iran-backed Popular Mobilization Units (PMU) — want to convert the parliamentary political system to a presidential one.

Kurds want to preserve their political gains, especially those related to disputed areas. Sunnis, meanwhile, seek to maintain the parliamentary quota system, which is designed to ensure that their representatives are allotted a percentage of ministerial positions, as well as the speaker of parliament position.

Read more: https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2019/11/iraq-protests-constitution.html#ixzz65IyB4o5u

chattels   Parliament also plans to discuss the oil and gas law, and whether the number of parliament members should remain one for every 100,000 citizens, or be determined by province.

Read more: https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2019/11/iraq-protests-constitution.html#ixzz65IyJPzSN

chattels   Meanwhile, Kurdish parliament member Diyar Tayeb told Al-Monitor, “We believe Iraq's problems are due to the non-implementation of the constitution, not the other way around. This means there is no problem with the constitution and it doesn't need to be amended. If we want to achieve reform, we simply need to apply the constitutional provisions.”

Tayeb noted that amending the constitution is a difficult task. “Parliamentary blocs cannot all agree on specific amendments in the period set by the speaker," he said.

Read more: https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2019/11/iraq-protests-constitution.html#ixzz65IyR9zi3

chattels   It does seem unlikely that political parties will be able to agree on amendments within the four-month period, for many reasons — especially the major differences over which articles any amendment should address. In addition, as Tayeb said, the mechanisms of amending the Iraqi Constitution are very strict and complex.

For example, an amendment must be approved by an absolute majority of parliament members, after which it has to be voted on by the public. The amendment would become part of the constitution if a majority of provinces vote for it and if it is not rejected by two-thirds of the voters in three or more provinces.

Read more: https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2019/11/iraq-protests-constitution.html#ixzz65IyfxGJy

chattels   ................. critics say any adjustments the Amendment Committee might propose won't ease the Iraqi crisis, and won't even come close to the protesters’ fundamental demands of comprehensive political change.

Read more: https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2019/11/iraq-protests-constitution.html#ixzz65IyoPfLF

chattels   Tahrir Square tonight

#Baghdad #IraqProtests #IraqiProtests https://twitter.com/YcIraq

Baxter   Drive Drunk in Ohio.... and look what it gets you... https://www.limaohio.com/news/383807/wrong-way-drunk-driver-guilty

chocolatiere   Sparky Baxter I lived in countries where many want a U.S green cards and will marry a senior sometime with 30 and 40 years difference .. of course now anyone can sneak through the border easy   Iraq was doing better with a dictator ,

the culture is based on the old Barbaric Babylonian religion and worship of the moon God ,reason for the crescent Moon everywhere .. Muhammad picked the moon God out of 265 God's while in Mecca ..

there are at least 129 verses in the Q'ran commanding to torture ,behead burn and kill all the infidels .. they are gradually taking over Europe .. hope our Dinars increase value in spite of the big mess .. Blessings

chattels   Baghdad (AFP) - Iraqi officials must ramp up their response to mass demonstrations demanding an overhaul of the political system, the United Nations' representative in Baghdad told AFP in an exclusive interview Wednesday. https://news.yahoo.com/iraq-officials-must-step-enact-reforms-un-envoy-171150090.html

chattels   A parliamentary source, in a press statement, followed by the “obelisk”, that “the presidency of the parliament set six laws to vote on in the next session, namely: –

– Integrity and Graft Law

– Amending the law of the provincial and district councils

– Proposal for the abolition of privileges law

– Unified Retirement Law

– Health Insurance Law

– The Olympic Committee Law.

LINK

chattels   Kaabi confirms to the representative of the United Nations: a full parliamentary agreement to accelerate the implementation of comprehensive reforms and constitutional and ministerial amendments

Wednesday 13 November 21:27 2019 https://ninanews.com/Website/News/Details?key=797170

chattels   Al-Kaabi stressed during the meeting that the House of Representatives continues to accelerate the completion of a package of legislation and reform decisions that correspond to the demands of the true demonstrators, pointing out that there is insistence at the presidency and members of the House of Representatives to make the necessary amendments to a set of important laws and long-awaited by the people over the past years,

Among them are the Electoral and Electoral Commission laws and the necessary constitutional and ministerial amendments, stressing that the reform package will include voting on service legislation that meets the needs of society.

chattels   BAGHDAD / NINA / Prime Minister Adel Abdul Mahdi discussed with parliamentary integrity the issue of termination of agencies.

A statement from his office said that Abdul-Mahdi received the chairman and members of the Parliamentary Integrity Committee.

He explained that "during the meeting discussed the role played by the Commission on Integrity and Cooperation in the fight against corruption and the preservation of public funds to implement decisions and reform measures, as well as the issue of termination of agencies."

The committee affirmed "its support for the government's efforts to fight corruption, dismantle its system and expose the corrupt."   https://ninanews.com/Website/News/Details?key=797310

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IQD CALLS Chat Early Thursday 11-14-19

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Larrykn   Iraqi families grieve for slain protesters as politicians condemn US calls for reform https://www.rudaw.net/english/middleeast/iraq/131120191

larrykn   President of Kurdistan Region in Baghdad to discuss Iraq protests, bilateral relations https://www.rudaw.net/english/middleeast/iraq/13112019

larrykn   Iraq reforms 'purely an Iraqi decision': President Salih https://www.rudaw.net/english/middleeast/iraq/12112019

larrykn   Integrity: The seizure of funds by three officials of the Ministry of Reconstruction and Housing

Economy News _ Baghdad   On Wednesday, the Integrity Commission revealed a decision to seize the transferred and immovable funds of three senior officials of the Ministry of Reconstruction, Housing, Municipalities and Public Works, based on the provisions of Article 340 of the Iraqi Penal Code.

"The Najaf Investigation Court, which is responsible for integrity issues, has issued a decision to seize the transferred and immovable funds for each of the accused, the former inspector general of the ministry, a technical agent and a former director general," the authority's investigation department said in a statement.

The decision was issued on the basis of article 340 of the Iraqi Penal Code on the charge that the defendants did not carry out the contract for the basic design of Najaf, the statement said. http://economy-news.net/content.php?id=18211

larrykn   Ammar al-Hakim stresses need to create fair electoral system https://www.thebaghdadpost.com/en/Story/44634/Ammar-al-Hakim-stresses-need-to-create-fair-electoral-system

larrykn   Central Bank of Iraq attacked 50 times last few days https://www.thebaghdadpost.com/en/Story/44639/Central-Bank-of-Iraq-attacked-50-times-last-few-days

chattelsIraqi Speaker of Parliament forbids MPs to take vacations until further notice because of the exceptional times the nation is passing through. http://mobp.as/XXm5p

bizhawk   Good morning folks. If you don't do anything else today-READ THIS. It's the best explanation on the planet concerning Iraq's problem.

bizhawk   oppps I forgot the link-here it is- https://apnews.com/96cafdaa891e41d9b3f0cc19db01fa5d

chattels   bizhawk Thanks. The Iraqi budget has been consumed by government salaries for some time now.

chattels   And the Barzani Family of Kurdistan recently made some expensive real estate purchases in Beverly Hills. https://www.dirt.com/gallery/more-dirt/politicians/barzani-house-beverly-hills-1203302193/#!1/maison-613-1/

chattels   The House of Representatives held its session under the chairmanship of Halbusi

Thursday 14 November 15:15 2019   Baghdad / Nina / The House of Representatives held its fifteenth session under the chairmanship of the Speaker of the Council Mohammed Halbousi, in the presence of 235 deputies. https://ninanews.com/Website/News/Details?key=797293

chattels   Parliamentary dispute over the proposed law to abolish the financial privileges of presidents and state officials 

Thursday 14 November 15:04 2019 https://ninanews.com/Website/News/Details?key=797289

chattels   The House of Representatives postponed its meeting this afternoon for an hour because of lack of quorum.

Today's session will include a vote on the proposal to abolish the financial privileges of presidents and officials in the country, vote on the draft law of the first amendment to the Integrity Commission Law No. 30 of 2011, and complete the vote on the proposal of the health insurance law, in addition to public discussions.

chattels   The arrival of the group of UN experts to work with the parliamentary committee on constitutional amendments  Thursday 14 November 14:51 2019 https://ninanews.com/Website/News/Details?Key=797284

Baxter   DId anyone see the largest wealth transfer in world history yesterday??

Doug_W   no

Baxter   neither did i

 chattels   Nujaifi announces agreement with Allawi and Abadi to achieve early elections  Thursday 14 November 09:16 2019 https://ninanews.com/Website/News/Details?Key=797199

chattels   BAGHDAD / NINA / The head of the Salvation and Development Front Osama al-Nujaifi said that he agreed with both Ayad Allawi and Haider al-Abadi to unite joint efforts and activate political and parliamentary opposition to achieve early elections after the dismissal of the current government and the formation of an interim government.

chattels   Translation. Those out of power see the crisis as an opportunity to regain power.

chattels   Even Maliki through his mouthpiece Tariq Harb. See

There is no constitutional vacuum and no realistic forms when the three presidents resign

Thursday 14 November 14:59 2019 https://ninanews.com/Website/News/Details?key=797288

chattels   @Baxter I did not see the largest wealth transfer in world history yesterday.

Baxter   nor did I

chattels   But Tman did not predict it. He was just sharing hopeful information.

Baxter   yes... I know   I didnt let it ruin my day..

chattels   Nujaifi, Allawi, Abadi and Maliki are all on the outside looking in.

Doug_W   Mailiki needs to be inside (A cell) looking out

Bizhawk   Just got back-yes chattels BUT this article 'spells out' the DYNAMIC of situation the Iraqs are living under.

bizhawk   It's actually worst than we have been told!

Larrykn   Finland re-opens Iraq embassy after hiatus of 30 years https://www.thebaghdadpost.com/en/Story/44646/Finland-re-opens-Iraq-embassy-after-hiatus-of-30-years

larrykn   HRW Denounces assaults on medics Treating Protesters https://www.thebaghdadpost.com/en/Story/44647/HRW-Denounces-assaults-on-medics-Treating-Protesters

larrykn   4 killed, dozens wounded in clashes against security forces https://www.thebaghdadpost.com/en/Story/44648/4-killed-dozens-wounded-in-clashes-against-security-forces

larrykn   Seven ISIS hideouts destroyed in Kirkuk https://www.thebaghdadpost.com/en/Story/44650/Seven-ISIS-hideouts-destroyed-in-Kirkuk

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IQD CALLS Chat Early Wednesday 11-13-19

IQD CALLS Chat Early Wednesday 11-13-19

 TWWIII   https://www.qarya.org/reserve-bank-of-zimbabwe-currency/  pix of new 2Zim$, 5ZIM$, 10ZIM$, 20ZIM$  etc... going out this week who knows, new toilet paper. gotta scroll down a ways

larrykn   President of Kurdistan Region in Baghdad to discuss Iraq protests, bilateral relations https://www.rudaw.net/english/middleeast/iraq/13112019

larrykn   Integrity: The seizure of funds by three officials of the Ministry of Reconstruction and Housing

Economy News _ Baghdad   On Wednesday, the Integrity Commission revealed a decision to seize the transferred and immovable funds of three senior officials of the Ministry of Reconstruction, Housing, Municipalities and Public Works, based on the provisions of Article 340 of the Iraqi Penal Code.

"The Najaf Investigation Court, which is responsible for integrity issues, has issued a decision to seize the transferred and immovable funds for each of the accused, the former inspector general of the ministry, a technical agent and a former director general," the authority's investigation department said in a statement.

The decision was issued on the basis of article 340 of the Iraqi Penal Code on the charge that the defendants did not carry out the contract for the basic design of Najaf, the statement said.

http://economy-news.net/content.php?id=18211

larrykn   Housing fund begins to approve housing complexes and deducts delayed fines

Economy News _ Baghdad   The Housing Fund of the Ministry of Reconstruction and Public Municipalities announced Wednesday that it will start next year to approve investment housing complexes, stressing that it has decided to split the delayed fines against borrowers to 24 months for those who are late for one or two years.

"The bank has prepared an economic feasibility and a financial and legal plan aimed at raising the level of the lending process and simplifying its procedures," said Sabar al-Saadi, director general of the fund, in an interview with the official newspaper Al-Sabah, which was briefed by The Economy News.

Al-Saadi added that "the Fund is in the process of agreeing on a certain formula for the process of paying interest in agreement with the investor, or to go to individual lending with citizens who have the investment housing unit," revealing "his decision and as part of his plans to facilitate the procedures for citizens, by deducting a 24-month penalty for all borrowers who are late for one or two years."

"The bank is turning it into loans, creating a financial cycle that can contribute to the revitalization of the national economy and ensure the continuation of the lending process," he said. http://economy-news.net/content.php?id=18201

chattels   President of Kurdistan Region in Baghdad to discuss Iraq protests, bilateral relations https://www.rudaw.net/english/middleeast/iraq/13112019

chattels   The visit takes place amid ongoing protests in Iraq’s south and center that began on October 1, demanding an end to corruption, unemployment, and nepotism, among other grievances.

chattels   At least 319 people have died and more than 15,000 people have been injured, according to the Iraqi High Commission for Human Rights in the protests.

chattels   Despite the warm relations, there remain some outstanding issues between the Kurdistan Region and the Iraqi government. The Region’s independent oil sales, budget disagreements, and the issue of the disputed territories continue to be points of contention.

Chattels   Iraqi News Agency denies that PM Abdel-Mahdi’s office manager has resigned.

http://mobp.as/8Ea5p

chattels   " Fake " news from yesterday.

chattels   " It is another sign that Iraqi democracy is dying." http://musingsoniraq.blogspot.com/2019/11/new-clashes-in-south-iraq-as-another.html

Chattels   NINA's Constitutional Amendments Committee: All controversial articles will be discussed and amended

Wednesday 13 November 10:10 2019 https://ninanews.com/Website/News/Details?Key=797033

chattels   Abdul-Mahdi: The demonstrations are a valuable opportunity to carry out long-awaited reforms / expanded

Tuesday 12 November 22:08 2019 https://ninanews.com/Website/News/Details?Key=796988

Doug_W   chattels we can only HOPE

chattels   Doug_W The likelihood, based upon prior history, is that there will be a lot of talk and committee meetings and then nothing of significance for the Iraqi people.

Doug_W   sadly YES

futuremoney   chattels that said..they are stone age mentality

futuremoney   hate to say it,but they only seem to follow a dictator

Doug_W   futuremoney thats what 3 generations of dictators will do to a society

Doug_W   no one knows how to lead a democracy

chattels   Anything about Tman's wealth transfer ?

Baxter   Yes... today is the DAY

Baxter   I havent seen my semi full of dimes.. yet

Chattels   No apparent change in my account balance.

Baxter   HA.. mine neither

chattels   Have a fine day all.

JoeSchmoe   Tman had been quiet for quite some time, then what.....all of a sudden boom, a post like that with nothing to back it up with? Seems to me he had been forgotten, now wants to be back in it?

Baxter   DOW broke another record today

Baxter   headed towards 28,000

Matt   Dow Jones Industrial Average INDEXDJX: .DJI  27,783.59 +92.10 (0.33%)^

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IQD CALLS Chat Tuesday Afternoon 11-12-19

IQD CALLS Chat Tuesday Afternoon 11-12-19

Chattels   BAGHDAD / NINA / The Fatah Alliance affirmed that there is no real feasibility to amend the electoral law and form a new commission, without the adoption of substantial constitutional amendments. https://ninanews.com/Website/News/Details?Key=796863

chattels   The head of the coalition bloc MP Mohammed al-Ghabban, in a statement to the Iraqi National News Agency ( NINA ), said that "the Presidency of the Parliament made its observations to expedite the work of the special parliamentary committee to touch the fundamental amendments in the origin of the Constitution, and not only language formulations that may be more formal."

"The parliamentary committee will give a great role to constitutional law experts, university professors and academics from different provinces, and openness to the segments of society represented by unions, unions and other sectors."

Ghabban, a member of the special parliamentary committee, said that "there is no real point in amending the election law or forming a new commission without approving the fundamental amendments."

chattels   The Fatah Alliance is Ameri and Iran backed.

chattels   More conflict about process which prevents substantive improvement, IMO.

Mikexx   Baghdad in 1968 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJ4iB0x0BEU

Chattels   BAGHDAD / NINA / The Fatah Alliance affirmed that there is no real feasibility to amend the electoral law and form a new commission, without the adoption of substantial constitutional amendments. https://ninanews.com/Website/News/Details?Key=796863

chattels   The head of the coalition bloc MP Mohammed al-Ghabban, in a statement to the Iraqi National News Agency ( NINA ), said that "the Presidency of the Parliament made its observations to expedite the work of the special parliamentary committee to touch the fundamental amendments in the origin of the Constitution, and not only language formulations that may be more formal."

"The parliamentary committee will give a great role to constitutional law experts, university professors and academics from different provinces, and openness to the segments of society represented by unions, unions and other sectors."

 Ghabban, a member of the special parliamentary committee, said that "there is no real point in amending the election law or forming a new commission without approving the fundamental amendments."

chattels    The Fatah Alliance is Ameri and Iran backed.

chattels   More conflict about process which prevents substantive improvement, IMO.

mikexx   Baghdad in 1968 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJ4iB0x0BEU

Crazycrypto   iran needs to be nuked!!!!

Crazycrypto   God dealt with the persian empire once before and hes doing so now

Bif   Anything new Clay

Clay   not that Ive seen     more violence   thats about it

Clay   https://www.newsy.com/stories/iraq-s-non-lethal-crackdown-on-protests-turns-deadly/?utm_source=MaropostMailing&utm_medium=Email&utm_name=11122019&omhide=true   

Wilder   Whats up with Zimbabwe? https://www.newzimbabwe.com/new-money-bank-account-holders-given-heaps-of-coins/

tman23   https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1192059400170725376/fYwi_eDa?format=jpg&name=900x900  

More dancing in the streets as gurus would have you believe.... everything over there is just more lipstick on the SAME PIG .... It’s like CMON MAN ... they are in the 5th straight year debating Kurdistan’s share of the budget .... but guess what .? The talks are going well and a committee plans on visiting Baghdad in the near future ..... SERIOUSLY ... THE 2% rate is just another meaningless talking point to follow... FOLLOW THIS... THERE ARE NO RULES IN IRAQ

tman23   NO RULES IN IRAQ , NO LEADERSHIP IN IRAQ, 5000 year old rubble n rock cesspool..... pick you favorite Guru and get excited over polishing a turd.... nobody is waiting in line to invest in this mess.... and the market economy is ready to open 😂😂😂... tomorrow is the 13th so curiosity on how world wealth is released runs high

Zig   Tman23 has been moved to the "Naysayer" category.........now Sam has some company....lol.

Wilder   Baxter see ny link above about Zimbabwe?

Baxter    no... will go look

tman23   Zig Hardly a Naysayer..... just fed up with the regurgitating derelicts ...... And self educated (google search) internet entrepreneurs ( specifically the amazing Kaperoni ) on IMF regulations and world currency policies 🤦‍♂️.... Just so retarded on so many levels .......

Baxter   well.. tomorrow is the big day... NOVEMBER 13....

Baxter   I bet its another DUD...

Baxter   supposedly the largest money movement ever.. is tomorrow.....

Baxter   we will see... wont we...

tman23   I posted , early October that I was told November 13 was said .. planned to be the biggest movement of wealth in world history .. I also didn’t want to tie it to dinar but was hopeful that the possibility existed... I wait to see what happens tomorrow too.... why I kept repeating it here ... probably as Baxter said a DUD ... but only reason I posted it is ... very credible person and it wasn’t dinar related.. I’m hoping for everyone that there is a connection

Clay   thanks buddy

Wilder   tman23 we is hoping. Thanks

tman23   and IF THE IQD DID GAIN MORE VALUE THAT INCLUDED 3 zeroes in the exchange accounting... I would exchange every note... even if it were Baxter’s dime.... I always believed that there would be a date like first of year those zeroes would be lost in the exchange . Not wanting to debate it , just my belief and opinion

Crazycrypto   IF a transfer of wealth is to occur what else coul we connect to other than the RV of the dinar? gold?

Crazycrypto   land?    lol i dunno

Wilder   Crazycrypto hopefully silver.

Crazycrypto   i have heard that their will be wealth to be made but it must come in the form of a collapse and the markets correcting themselves to what they truly are supposed to be

Crazycrypto   Zillow predicted a 2020 housng market collapse   just a few days ago

Crazycrypto   what do they know?  that we dont

Crazycrypto   @wilder tthat would be awesome

Crazycrypto   the metal market need to be corrected

Wilder   Crazycrypto also heard that with all the unsecured auto loans.

Crazycrypto   yep and this is Zillow predicting this wow    said we are due for one

Clay   everything collapsed for me in the 2008 crash

Clay   still havent recovered

Crazycrypto   clay sorry to hear as for many it did

Crazycrypto    i couldnt find a job for years  as soon as 2007 came

Clay   Crazycrypto    thanks

Crazycrypto   they said this may be even worse    in 2020

Crazycrypto    but i try to remain optimistic

Clay   Crazycrypto maybe it was 2007   cant imagine it being worse

Wilder   On my end. 60% drop on building permits in my area since August. No one kbows why

Crazycrypto   wilder thats crazy

Crazycrypto   wonder how sky igh the interest rates would be if it did crash big time

Crazycrypto   they said iff u were to buy a home for 500k now it could be worth 250k maybe even less if the housing market crashes thats insane

chattels   Iraq reforms 'purely an Iraqi decision': President Salih

5 hours ago https://www.rudaw.net/english/middleeast/iraq/12112019

Chattels   US Kurds and Armenians unite to protest Erdogan’s trip to Washington https://www.rudaw.net/english/world

chattels   Does Israel's advocacy for the Kurds do more harm than good? https://www.rudaw.net/english/analysis

Chattels  iraqirevolutionary @iraqirevolutio4   Replying to @DavidMWitty1

We're bringing this entire system down, it's over. https://twitter.com/iraqirevolutio4?lang=en

chattels   If the entire system, the State of Iraq fails or the Constitution nullified, then I expect that the Kurds could succeed and declare their own state. The question of Kirkuk / the disputed areas may hold them in some union with Iraq, but they have made little progress under Article 140 in almost 20 years, so

chattels   Iraqi Government announces delay of provincial council elections. Parliament already voted to suspend work of provincial councils in October. http://mobp.as/lz54p

chattels   Reuters: Iraqi government to pursue new tactics in dealing with protests in Baghdad. Protesters to be restricted to Tahrir Square with entrances secure by security forces. This will be accompanied by an arrest campaign. http://mobp.as/kI54p

chattels   Iraqi military spokesman for PM Abdel-Mahdi accuses protesters of making explosives inside Turkish Restaurant in downtown Baghdad. http://mobp.as/dc84p

chattels   Source: Abdul Mahdi's office director resigns   LINK https://www.alsumaria.tv/news/%D8%B3%D9%8A%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%A9/324793/%D9%85%D8%B5%D8%AF%D8%B1-%D9%85%D8%AF%D9%8A%D8%B1-%D9%85%D9%83%D8%AA%D8%A8-%D8%B9%D8%A8%D8%AF-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D9%87%D8%AF%D9%8A-%D9%8A%D9%82%D8%AF%D9%85-%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%AA%D9%82%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AA%D9%87

chattels   The source said in an interview with Alsumaria News, "The Director of the Office of Prime Minister Mohammed al-Hashemi known Abu Jihad resigned from his position to Prime Minister Adel Abdul Mahdi."

"He is awaiting Abdul Mahdi's resignation," the source said.

chattels   Mahdi seemed the best of the lot to me. If he resigns ????

chattels   C - H -A - O - S, IMO.

 chattels   Members of the Karbala police joined the protests today http://ninanews.com/Website/News/Details?key=796879   …

chattels   Tuesday, November 12, 2019   New Clashes In South Iraq As Another Activist Disappears In Baghdad   Basra (Al Mirbad)    http://musingsoniraq.blogspot.com/2019/11/new-clashes-in-south-iraq-as-another.html

chattels   Update on Mary Mohammed. She is currently safe in Erbil and will soon post a video to clarify what happened. https://twitter.com/hashtag/%D9%85%D8%A7%D8%B1%D9%8A_%D9%85%D8%AD%D9%85%D8%AF?src=hash

Portmagaland   chattels And vets who defended the right for everyone to speak their opinions have more than earned their right to voice their opinion. Did you serve because of you didn't you're welcome.

chattels   Portmagaland What is your point ? " chattels Everyone is entitled to an opinion, ...... 12 Nov 19, 04:23 PM

chattels   Portmagaland Nevertheless, some, be they veterans or not, should think twice about publishing their opinion.

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IQD CALLS Chat Early Tuesday 11-12-19

IQD CALLS Chat Early Tuesday 11-12-19

IQD News Highlights:

chattels   In Parliament today, ..................... The House of Representatives ends the discussion of the proposal of the Second Amendment Law for the Provincial and District Council Elections Law No. (12) of 2018. https://ninanews.com/Website/News/Details?key=796820

chattels   US calls for elections in Iraq in 3 weeks. Leader of Asa'ib Ahl al-Haqq militia says this is proof of US intervention in Iraq.   http://mobp.as/DdP4p

chattels   Iraqis on social media circulated the news of the disappearance of Iraqi activist Marie Mohammed, one of the participants in the protests and famous for helping protesters demanding the overthrow of the regime and improve the deteriorating living conditions in an oil-rich country.

Twitterers said the activist had been missing for four days, but the news spread widely on Monday. Mary is the second female activist to disappear since the protests began early last month.

Saba al-Mahdawi was the first female activist to disappear and her fate remains unknown, even nine days after she was kidnapped by unknown gunmen after returning from Tahrir Square last week.  LINK https://www.alhurra.com/a/%D9%85%D8%A7%D8%B1%D9%8A-%D9%85%D8%AD%D9%85%D8%AF-%D8%B3%D9%84%D8%A7%D8%AD-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AE%D8%B7%D9%81-%D9%8A%D8%B3%D8%AA%D9%87%D8%AF%D9%81-%D9%85%D8%AC%D8%AF%D8%AF%D8%A7-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%86%D8%A7%D8%B4%D8%B7%D8%A7%D8%AA-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B9%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%82%D9%8A%D8%A7%D8%AA-/519850.html

chattels   Iraqi govt wont turn over bodies of killed protesters without having family sign docs saying cause of death was an accident https://almadapaper.net/view.php?cat=222599

chattels   Monday, November 11, 2019   Iraq’s Oil Exports Dipped In September Leading To Drop In Revenue http://musingsoniraq.blogspot.com/2019/11/iraqs-oil-exports-dipped-in-september.html

chattels   In August 2019, Iraq produced a record level of oil, which violated its quota set by OPEC. Due to complains from that organization, Iraq reduced its output in September, leading to a drop in exports, which also cut into revenues, despite an increase in prices.

chattels   That resulted in revenues going from $6.413 billion in August to $6.345 billion in September. Both were below the 2019 average of $6.603 billion per month.

chattels   The draft elections law the presidency had been working on has been published:  https://www.nasnews.com/assets/uploads/2019/11/  …مشروع-قانون-الانتخابات3.pdf   

 This will go through several changes before parliament approves it but will likely still face criticism https://twitter.com/SajadJiyad/status/1193905123245875202

chattels   Key points:

- new electoral commission including judges not to be appointed through muhasasa

- introduce electoral districts with first past the post system

- reduce the minimum age for candidates to 25

- reduce number of MPs to 213 + 9 for minorities

12 Nov 19, 01:35 AMchattelsIssues on elections that still need to be worked out:

- Party finance and transparency

- Election/nomination of governors

- Election winner or largest bloc

- PM as bloc nominee or as head of party

- Do election laws also apply to referendums

- Role of monitors

- Recounts/appeals

chattels   Kirk H. Sowell @UticaRisk   More  Kirk H. Sowell Retweeted Sajad Jiyad سجاد

Thanks for posting, Sajad. But... you seem confident that they will actually pass it. If they amend it beyond recognition & pass something entirely different, it could be subject to constitutional challenge. But perhaps they just won't pass it?

chattels   A comment on the calender: this bill is for both parl't & provinces, but IHEC requires six months after passage of election law to hold elections. So nearly 0% this law will be used in April's provincial elections. Or provincials will be postponed again.

chattels   https://twitter.com/UticaRisk   

chattels   Also, for the new parl't system to come in prior to 2022, there needs to be a vote dissolving the current parliament. Will 165 MPs vote to give up their current job status with a very high likelihood that they won't be reelected?

Especially given the reduction in # of MPs. https://twitter.com/UticaRisk/status/1193996490680590336

chattels   Reidar Visser @reidarvisser   Oct 7   Even talk of fresh elections in #Iraq is predicated on an initiative either by PM + prez or third of MPs, then absolute majority of current parliament voting to lose their own jobs. Unrealistic perhaps.    https://twitter.com/reidarvisser

chattels   Can Abdul Mahdi overcome the protests?   Ali Mamouri November 11, 2019  

Read more: https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2019/11/iraq-protests-sistani-us-un-iran.html#ixzz652jMXlbD

chattels   Despite several proposals to solve the crises in Iraq and in spite of using different tactics such as promises and threats, the Iraqi government is unable to stop the protests and is unable to convince protesters to go home.

Read more: https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2019/11/iraq-protests-sistani-us-un-iran.html#ixzz652jYLzDI

chattels   With protesters receiving direct support from Sistani, the UN and the United States, it will be very difficult for Abdul Mahdi to resist them unless he uses even more violence. Such action would result in mass killings and civil war.

In such circumstances, it seems there is no solution to the crisis as long as Abdul Mahdi remains in office without undertaking early elections in accordance with a new electoral law — as are the minimum demands of protesters and their internal and external supporters.

Read more: https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2019/11/iraq-protests-sistani-us-un-iran.html#ixzz652jxCMwc

Larrykn   Iraqi American National Friendship Association thanks White Houce concerns to events in Iraq https://www.thebaghdadpost.com/en/Story/44615/Iraqi-American-National-Friendship-Association-thanks-White-Houce-concerns-to-events-in-Iraq

larrykn   Sadr to US: Interfere in early elections and you’ll be kicked out of Iraq https://www.rudaw.net/english/world/11112019

larrykn   As Iraq and Lebanon protests flare, Iran clings to hard-earned sway https://www.rudaw.net/english/middleeast/03112019

chattels   The Constitutional Amendments Committee reveals to NINA: We will work to abolish the text regarding the constitutional veto

Tuesday 12 November 11:32 2019 https://ninanews.com/Website/News/Details?Key=796875

chattels   "the parliamentary committee is in the process of canceling the text on the constitutional veto of three provinces and proceed with the adoption of important legislation, and otherwise there will be no benefit from the process of amending the Constitution," noting that "Article 140 of the Constitution canceled the status quo because it was limited by a period of time officially ended ceiling" .

chattels   "Article 140 of the Constitution canceled the status quo because it was limited by a period of time officially ended ceiling" . ?????????

chattels   At one time hard line Shia politicos argued that Article 140 was expired by reason of it not being implemented within the proscribed time period.

chattels   I hope that the quoted language does not adopt such an interpretation. The Kurds would understandably be very upset.

chattels   The parliamentary committee on constitutional amendments, elected yesterday its chairmanship and pledged to include proposals and substantial observations consistent with the popular demands.

chattels   Observing any progress in Iraq is like watching paint dry.

Chattels   Low dollar exchange rates on the local stock exchange

Tuesday 12 November 13:08 2019 https://ninanews.com/Website/News/Details?key=796902

chattels   BAGHDAD / NINA / The exchange rate of the dollar fell on the stock market struggle and local markets today.

The prices of the Stock Exchange struggle - Baghdad 120,600 dinars per 100 dollars.

Selling and buying prices in banking shops:  selling price of the dollar = 121.750 dinars.

The purchase price of the dollar = 120.250 dinars

chattels   " selling price of the dollar = 121.750 dinars." is not in compliance with the 2% variance calculation between the market rate and the official rate.

Chattels   BAGHDAD / NINA / The Fatah Alliance affirmed that there is no real feasibility to amend the electoral law and form a new commission, without the adoption of substantial constitutional amendments. https://ninanews.com/Website/News/Details?Key=796863

chattels   The head of the coalition bloc MP Mohammed al-Ghabban, in a statement to the Iraqi National News Agency ( NINA ), said that "the Presidency of the Parliament made its observations to expedite the work of the special parliamentary committee to touch the fundamental amendments in the origin of the Constitution, and not only language formulations that may be more formal."

"The parliamentary committee will give a great role to constitutional law experts, university professors and academics from different provinces, and openness to the segments of society represented by unions, unions and other sectors."

Ghabban, a member of the special parliamentary committee, said that "there is no real point in amending the election law or forming a new commission without approving the fundamental amendments."

chattels   The Fatah Alliance is Ameri and Iran backed.

chattels   More conflict about process which prevents substantive improvement, IMO.

Mikexx   Baghdad in 1968 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJ4iB0x0BEU

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IQD CALLS Chat Early Monday 11-11-19

IQD CALLS Chat Early Monday 11-11-19

larrykn   US condemns excessive use of violence against Iraqis, calls for Elections https://www.thebaghdadpost.com/en/Story/44610/US-condemns-excessive-use-of-violence-against-Iraqis-calls-for-Elections

larrykn   Amnesty calls on Iraq to end ‘bloodbath’ amid anti-government protests https://www.thebaghdadpost.com/en/Story/44607/Amnesty-calls-on-Iraq-to-end-bloodbath-amid-anti-government-protests

Doug_W   300 killed over 15K injured

larrykn   not good

larrykn   Iraq heads of state ‘reject and shun’ security solution to protests https://www.rudaw.net/english/middleeast/iraq/10112019

larrykn   No Coalition casualties in rocket attack on Iraq's Qayyarah base https://www.rudaw.net/english/middleeast/iraq/09112019

Doug_W   we need to cut Iran's throat NOW B4 they actually get a nuke

larrykn   I'm thinking Israel will take care of that before long

Doug_W   not sure them doing it is best way "out" fellow arabs may protest it

larrykn   they will protest no matter who does it

larrykn   to me I'm thinking the Iran people are getting tired of what is going on in their country

chattels   UN, top Iraq cleric urge 'serious' reforms after protests

https://www.rudaw.net/english/middleeast/iraq/111120192

chattels   NAJAF, Iraq⁠—The United Nations' top official in Iraq and the country's most senior cleric urged authorities on Monday to get "serious" about reforms after anti-government demonstrations that have left hundreds dead.

chattels   After weeks of paralysis, Iraq's top leaders seem to have agreed to keep the system intact, but the UN in Iraq (UNAMI) urged them to enact a host of changes.

chattels   the seat of Shiite religious power in Iraq, known as the marjaiyah, had stressed that "peaceful demonstrators cannot go home without sufficient reforms" to answer their demands.

"The marjaiyah expressed its concerns that the political forces are not serious enough to carry out such reforms," said Hennis-Plasschaert.

chattels   Iraq's President Barham Saleh had last month proposed an early vote after reforms, but the suggestion seems to have been widely rejected by the political class.

Prime Minister Adel Abdel Mahdi cast them as unrealistic and even firebrand cleric Moqtada Sadr, who first demanded snap elections supervised by the UN, has gone silent.

chattels   The initial fissures among the political elite appear to have closed this week following a consensus brokered by Major General Qasem Soleimani, the head of Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps' foreign operations arm.

chattels   protesters, who demand a complete overhaul of a regime they see as deeply corrupt.

Demonstrators say the current system means government jobs are doled out based on bribes or nepotism, shutting out applicants who are politically independent.

Youth make up 60 percent of Iraq's nearly 40 million people and the unemployment rate among them stands at a staggering 25 percent, according to the World Bank.

One in five people lives below the poverty line, despite the vast oil wealth of OPEC's second biggest producer.

"We don't want amendments, we want change -- total change," one protester in Baghdad told AFP on Monday.

"We don't want this government, or parliament, or any political party."

chattels   Iraq needs serious reform, not another ill-fated revolution https://www.rudaw.net/english/opinion/09112019

chattels   If efforts to change the overall political system lead to a new constitution and the election of a president instead of a prime minister, problems will only worsen further.

 A new constitution and a presidential system will undoubtedly centralize power, and most Middle Eastern countries – particularly Iraq – have played this record too many times before. Protestors decrying corruption must remain careful not to trade democratic rights for an equally corrupt centralized authoritarianism.

chattels   While calling for an end to Iranian domination of Iraq stands out as a reasonable and necessary demand of the protestors, Iraqis need to effect such a change in the next election by voting for parties and leaders who do not serve Iran’s interests over that of Iraqis. In the meantime, protestors might consider accepting Abdul-Mahdi’s offers and giving him a chance to enact them. Iraq needs serious reform rather than another ill-fated revolution.

chattels   A very good read at the following. https://medium.com/@LocalObserver/iraq-protests-time-to-stop-winging-it-583f0a08b73d  Iraq Protests: Time To Stop “Winging IT”

chattels   Sunday, November 10, 2019 After Shutting Down Basra Protests Crackdown Moves To Baghdad http://musingsoniraq.blogspot.com/2019/11/after-shutting-down-basra-protests.html

chattels   Iraqi citizen @iraqicityzein 

Internet is back and I can finally tell you that those who shot protestors at Khalani square were Nujabaa fighters dressed as riot police. Protestors caught and dragged one of them to the crowd & exposed his ID. The picture is circulating on the internet but haven't found it yet. https://twitter.com/iraqicityzein

chattels   Harakat Hezbollah al-Nujaba is an Iraqi Shi'ite paramilitary group.

chattels   The United States has announced sanctions on the hardline Iraqi Shiite militia Harakat Hezbollah Al Nujaba and its leader Akram Kaabi, the Treasury Department has announced.

The Iranian linked force has been heavily involved in the neighbouring conflict in Syria but is also a major partner of Tehran in Iraq.

The announcement late on Tuesday comes amid growing US concern about both Nujaba and other Iranian proxy forces in the Middle East. Kaabi, a cleric, was sanctioned by the US Treasury in 2008 for threatening the peace and stability of Iraq. https://www.thenational.ae/world/mena/us-sanctions-iranian-militia-in-iraq-here-s-what-you-need-to-know-about-harakat-hezbollah-al-nujaba-1.833952

chattels   Commentary ..................... The Abd al-Mahdi govt has suffered irrepairable damage to its credibility and may be on life support, but whether the PM resigns next week, next month or next year, the elite is sufficiently united that truly systemic change is unlikely, but at the cost of regime legitimacy.

chattels   The protest movement remains a powerful force, but at present it appears to lack the organizational capacity to genuinely challenge the system. It will change Iraq, but right now it looks like the main change will be an end to the facade of democracy.

chattels   Successful revolutions have always required more than just mass protests. There are two more factors. One is that regimes fall when the elites stop defending them. Stephen Kotkin explains this in Eastern Europe context here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tXvLJXkFFg&t=712s  …

chattels   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tXvLJXkFFg&t=712s  …

Chattels   Although there is an appearance of division within the political class, the "Iran" and "nationalist" camps are both working to defend the system. Absent a split in the regime, which could mean civil war, it will not fall.

chattels    A second missing factor I see is sufficient organization. Past successful revolutions have all had a well-organized opposition. This protest movement lacks this. It is a blunt force instrument only able to bring the regime to a standstill.     https://twitter.com/UticaRisk

Baxter   thx for the news chattels...

Chattels   Baxter Let's see what Parliament does this week, if anything.

Baxter   we will see....

chattels   Halbousi opens parliament session today Monday , 11 November 15:03 2019

BAGHDAD / NINA / The House of Representatives started today the 13th session of the first legislative term for the second legislative year under the chairmanship of Mohammad Al Halbousi, Speaker of the Council.

https://ninanews.com/Website/News/Details?Key=796798

chattels   https://ninanews.com/Website/News/Details?Key=796798

chattels" THESE are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman.

Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value." - Thomas Paine December 23, 1776

chattels   God Bless the U.S.A. by Lee Greenwood https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q65KZIqay4E

chattels   Halbousi directs to address the Council of Ministers to expedite the transmission of the budget

BAGHDAD / NINA / Speaker of the House of Representatives Mohammed Halbousi addressed the Secretariat of the Council to address the Secretariat of the Council of Ministers to expedite the sending of the federal budget. https://ninanews.com/Website/News/Details?key=796585

Crazycrypto   Seems like the head of the UN is on Sistanis butt this week

Crazycrypto   yes its time for serious reforms packages not the crap they put together that the citizens rejected

Crazycrypto   we shall see

chattels   And that's the way that it is from the news that I read out of Iraq on this Monday, November 11, 2019. Have a fine day all.

chattels   David M. Witty @DavidMWitty1

 In Baghdad, security forces use tear gas at Khalani Square to force protesters back to Tahrir Square.

http://mobp.as/6qI4p

TWWIII   Clay Gonna get more silver in a bit: 16.83▲  +0.01  +0.04%

Clay   wow thats very cheap

TWWIII   same drop % as gold

Baxter   if it gets down to about 13... I may buy some...

TWWIII   Baxter Not sure what will cause that rate, b nice though

Baxter   wasnt it around there before

TWWIII   was down to 10.57 a while ago

Baxter   wow

TWWIII   Thanz when I started buying again

TWWIII   Did u know that sterling silver is 92.5% silver list silver ware

Baxter   nope

TWWIII   yepper, just dont buy from Germany

TWWIII   Just now: 16.82▼  0.00  -0.02%

Doug_W   Silver:$16.95

Larrykn   Iraq lowers basra light and heavy crude price in December

Economy News – Baghdad   Iraq lowered the official sale price of Basra light crude to Asia in December by 20 cents to $2.25 above the average Amman/Dubai prices offered compared to the previous month, according to a pricing document.

Basra's heavy crude for the same month was set at $1.25 per barrel below the Oman/Dubai average, down 55 cents from the previous month. http://economy-news.net/content.php?id=18180

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IQD CALLS Chat Sunday 11-10-19

IQD CALLS Chat Sunday 11-10-19

 JoeSchmoe    larrykn so what are your current feelings for us dinardiots lately?

larrykn   I don't listen to any of them

JoeSchmoe   us not the gurus. I meant where do you feel we are

larrykn   one day at a time.

larrykn   I don't see it this year

JoeSchmoe   a lot of times, i feel we are dinardiots for being in this thing

JoeSchmoe   what do you feel about the latest LOP shtuff

larrykn   well , Iraq has to get it together before we see anything. I decided to live life as if this won't happen and be happy if and when it does. that way I don't stress out/

JoeSchmoe   wish i could, but i need this. I am depending on it. I didn't invest more than I could afford, when I invested. I had money then. But life took a bad turn financially

larrykn   I think the one thing people need to do is don't depend on this but live like it won't happen and be Happy with what your doing today.

JoeSchmoe   wish i could

JoeSchmoe   I can't really change carreers

larrykn   I'm getting to old to worry about it, I can't take chances like I use to.

JoeSchmoe   yea..

Wheresmyrv?   Not much news out there this this morning

JoeSchmoe   Wheresmyrv? but even if there were......would that make you/us feel any differently? lol

JoeSchmoe   more news could make us depressed...depending on what it said

Wheresmyrv?   Nope, not until that corrupt Iranian controlled government is toppled and I don't see that happening anytime soon

JoeSchmoe   Wheresmyrv? well wouldn't you think Iran would want an increase?

Wheresmyrv?   Iran is making too much money off the auctions and stealing money from Iraq to worry about the IQD rate

Wheresmyrv?   They could care less

JoeSchmoe   I only thought they have a lot of iqd

Wheresmyrv?   Im not seeing many positive things about Iraq now

Wheresmyrv?   :(

JoeSchmoe   well then I bet it's about time for the dinar cycle to begin again.....tax talk,rate talk, then timeline talk

Wheresmyrv?   Yeah, I would ignore that stuff

JoeSchmoe   Wheresmyrv? of course, im just saying that talk starts up when everyone gets depressed

Wheresmyrv?   Yep

Wheresmyrv?   Deletion of the zeros talk, yada yada yada

JoeSchmoe   yep

JoeSchmoe   that starts it all off

Wheresmyrv?   This is insane this going on this long

Wheresmyrv?   Iraq has had almost 15 years to get their crap together and they still haven't

Wheresmyrv?   Did it take Germany, Japan and Italy this long to restructure their economy after WW2?

JoeSchmoe   makes you realized this thing is about more than just getting their crap together....

Wheresmyrv?   Yep

JoeSchmoe   I just hope that IF we end up getting screwed on this somehow, that we will at least be able to sell what we have back for what we paid

JoeSchmoe   it will still sting

JoeSchmoe   the worst part would be what a waste of a decade of my life this has been

Wheresmyrv?   Same here, what a waste of time looking at this every day for the last 10 yrs

Bif   Douggie Fresh 11-1-2019 **** Dinar Guru Update **** Guru Kaperoni's report has now been confirmed by the official rates reported by Central Bank of Iraq. It appears the market rate and the official rate for the Iraqi dinar are now out of compliance with the IMF "2% rule".

This rule requires the market rate to remain within 2% of the official rate for 90 days before the dinar can be considered for Article VIII. Kaperoni and other gurus believe Article VIII brings international banking acceptance. The last report has the two rates are ~2.3% apart.

It's unclear if the IMF rules require a daily "within 2% spread compliance" or if it's based on a weekly or monthly average. The dinar has been in compliance for over a year in a half. Stay tuned as the gurus chime in on the significance of this dinar development. [You can always see the latest CBI reported market and official rate on the CBI website

larrykn   US condemns excessive use of violence against Iraqis, calls for Elections https://www.thebaghdadpost.com/en/Story/44610/US-condemns-excessive-use-of-violence-against-Iraqis-calls-for-Elections

larrykn   Amnesty calls on Iraq to end ‘bloodbath’ amid anti-government protests https://www.thebaghdadpost.com/en/Story/44607/Amnesty-calls-on-Iraq-to-end-bloodbath-amid-anti-government-protests

Doug_W   300 killed over 15K injured

larrykn   not good

larrykn   Iraq heads of state ‘reject and shun’ security solution to protests https://www.rudaw.net/english/middleeast/iraq/10112019

larrykn   No Coalition casualties in rocket attack on Iraq's Qayyarah base https://www.rudaw.net/english/middleeast/iraq/09112019

Doug_W   we need to cut Iran's throat NOW B4 they actually get a nuke

larrykn   I'm thinking Israel will take care of that before long

Doug_W   not sure them doing it is best way "out" fellow arabs may protest it

larrykn   they will protest no matter who does it

larrykn   to me I'm thinking the Iran people are getting tired of what is going on in their country

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IQD CALLS Chat Saturday 11-9-19

IQD CALLS Chat Saturday 11-9-19

chattels   17 rockets fired at Iraqi base housing US forces: Iraq military

https://www.rudaw.net/english/middleeast/iraq/08112019

chattels   ERBIL, Kurdistan Region – Seventeen rockets were fired at Iraq’s Qayyarah base, which houses US forces, on Friday. There was no damage caused and no casualties.

chattels   In Iraq, 21 killed & 350 injured in 24 hours in Basra during protests. http://nabdapp.com

chattels   Friday, November 8, 2019   Will Iraq’s PM Abdul Mahdi Put An End To The Protests?

http://musingsoniraq.blogspot.com/2019/11/will-iraqs-pm-abdul-mahdi-put-end-to.html

chattels   " Iraq already has a political elite that are unresponsive to the public that it is supposed to serve. If they were to stay in power only through the use of force it would make a sham out of the nation’s democracy."

chattels   Shiite protesters get broad backing throughout Iraq  Saad Salloum November 7, 2019

Read more: https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2019/11/iraq-protests-shiite-sunni-minorities.html#ixzz64l4OrjPz

chattels   Those who support a more presidential form of government in #Iraq should perhaps remember peaceful democratic transitions from parliamentary to presidential rule - without coup, war etc - are relatively rare. https://twitter.com/reidarvisser

Sparky   chattels ... I beg to differ...

Sparky   chattels .. middle East is a different animal..

Sparky   chattels ..funny...they love to fight, but... are located where Jesus walked...

madness   yeah hold on to your dinar for while

madness   that news report of 12 central bank of iraq getting killed as they were coming out is true

madness   employees

Sparky   chattels ... sinners and saint's...as are we all...

madness   and the idiot gurus lol now as always what I have known all all along just a bunch of scammers, oh its going this weekend, yeah, that country is heading to war, with iran,

madness   if iran was going to back down, they would have by now, nope this is going to get ugly and bloody, so dont expect a rate change until ummm gee another 5 years at this rate, sucks cause I hold dinar, oh well it was a fun ride

Sparky   madness ... just another day...but, I think we are good to make more than We put in...

madness   well yeah

Sparky   madness ... maybe not 1:1000...,,but maybe...

Sparky   .. Patience...

madness   all that work, signing deals with other countries was just a smoke screen, if they do not do a rate change and give those poor iraq people something, well gee all hell has broken loose, we the USA is going to have step in again seems like

madness   makes you wonder, how the heck do you let a bunch of iran idiots into the belly of your so called Gov. really?

Sparky   madness ...check out silk road...via Iraq...

 madness   dont know what silk road is, what I do see is a alot of iraq's getting killed by iran

madness    at this point you could not rv if you wanted iran is killing the bankers, maybe they should go full borders and burn down the cbi and call it a day

Sparky   madness ...yup... Maliki machine..m

madness   yeah the cia needs to get some*and take that idiot out, its long over due

Sparky   madness ... agreed...

madness   I said it once I say it again, its amazing one maliki moron could cause so much pain and death, just unreal

Sparky   madness ... Maliki needs to take the noose...

Sparky   madness ... Bagdad central... this is what happens if you steal... wavering body of Maliki off a flag pole... imo...

Sparky   madness ...drawn, quartered, then hung..

madness   no this is going to all out war, there is no turning back, sparky they killed 12 cbi employee bankers,

madness   hey sparky can we we send the idiot gurus over there to to drawn, quartered and hung, that might help

madness   I meant to be

Sparky   madness ptb don't let it get to far out of hand..

madness   well gee thats an under statement, its way beyond far out of hand at this point

Sparky   madness .. lots of pols in Malikis pocket...

madness   well sad to say, its been what? 16 years, looks like its going to 20 hope im wrong,

Sparky   ... madness ... maybe...

Sparky   madness ... I still like our position... I believe that we will prosper...and, Joe... Im still buying... question is...when... and how much ... I be happy if they do any  thing...

Sparky   ...30% risk...how can it go sideways ?

Sparky   Patience is a virtue...

Sparky   ... correction... Patience is a virgin...lol...

Sparky   ...but not a long timer in this fiasco...

Sparky   madness ... what up in South LA ?

Sparky   ...reds and blues ?

Sparky   MS13 here...

Sparky   ...like a   disease...

Sparky   Doug_W ... I only bet winners...

Sparky   Doug_W ... and, of course, I consider you a winner...

Sparky   ...Monday I'll be 60...what happened to my 50's... time fly's...love stays...

Sparky   ...love this chatroom...imo...  ...guess I'll stay...

Zig   MY QUESTION TO KAPERONI VIA EMAIL AND HIS REPLY:........ ZIG: "Kap,Can the CBI decide to float the currency without them being in Article 8 first?...Thanks"...................

KAPERONI: "Yes. They can change exchange rate regimes anytime they want... But I don't expect them to get off the peg until they have significant capital coming in to invest... As for Article VIII if the IMF is going to be a stickler they could make them start over and wait 90 days once in compliance again... Because that is clearly in writing in the IMF charter that once you meet the 2% rule you have to hold it for 90 days... So if the spread is now what they say it is and the CBI reports it as such it appears we're in for a wait."

Sparky   Zig ...we are pretty good at waiting...

Sparky   ... what? ...no $8 per tomorrow ? What the what?

Zig   Yes, many people disagree with Kaperoni.....probably "most".....lol....we welcome all opinions here so if you disagree with Kaperoni you are most welcome to post and give your reasons why, etc.....Kaperoni is a member of this chat room.....we invite people like Kap, Jeff (Dinar Investor), Breitling, BGG, Sam I Am (a Naysayer) and other "well-known" people in this community to come here as well and weigh in.....

No, you need not be "well-known" to voice your views.....lol....Please invite "anyone" that you wish to come join us....we do no screening....we discuss things openly....and try to be civil when we disagree

larrykn   Fresh, deadly clashes erupt in Iraq despite cleric's call for calm

Security forces fired tear gas and threw stun grenades into crowds of protesters wearing helmets and makeshift body armor on a main road in the middle of the Iraqi capital, sending demonstrators scattering, some wounded, Reuters reporters said.

One protester died from a tear gas canister fired directly into his head, a Reuters witness said.

More than 280 people have been killed, according to police and medics, since the protests over a lack of jobs and services began in Baghdad on Oct. 1 and quickly spread to southern provinces, according to Reuters.

Police, the military and paramilitary groups have used live gunfire against mostly unarmed protesters since the beginning of the unrest.

Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, who only speaks on politics in times of crisis and wields enormous influence over public opinion in Shi’ite-majority Iraq, held security forces accountable for any violent escalation and urged the government to respond as quickly as possible to demonstrators’ demands.

“The biggest responsibility is on the security forces,” a representative of Sistani said in a sermon after Friday prayers in the holy city of Kerbala. “They must avoid using excessive force with peaceful protesters.” https://www.thebaghdadpost.com/en/Story/44596/Fresh-deadly-clashes-erupt-in-Iraq-despite-cleric-s-call-for-calm

larrykn   Rockets hit Iraq base with US troops; no word on casualties https://www.thebaghdadpost.com/en/Story/44597/Rockets-hit-Iraq-base-with-US-troops-no-word-on-casualties

Sparky.   .. Mohamed s pony to Islams head...a security feature... Iqd...

spankie   seems like it is the only way they can get a change from the bs promises from all previous govs

spankie   keep the masses poor and broken and controlled

Andrewhatidid   I got great news for your on Monday and also to laugh at those gurus Covfefe didn't I told your after 3rd reform package the protest and demonstrations will stop heading to the 4th reform package after the 3rd one its only 2 more 1 after the R.V. and the 4th 1 we heading there I'll show you the 5th reform package what it is its already ready to go

Andrewhatidid   7th November 2019 in Iraq Banking & Finance News, Iraq Industry & Trade News, Politics   By Dr Amer K. Hirmis.

Any opinions expressed are those of the author, and do not necessarily reflect the views of Iraq Business News.  An Economic Manifesto for Iraq   [Bayan Iqtisadi lil-‘Iraq]   Prologue

Andrewhatidid   I'll talk  more about it on Monday the gurus feel so stupid about Mahdi will resign Mahdi this Mahdi that oh its never going to happen

 Andrewhatidid   blah blah blah and at the end Covfefe we still won and they wrong I'm going to laugh at them on Monday

Andrewhatidid   have a great night

TWWIII   I may be receiving some LD from Zim...nxt month, I will know nxt week

Baxter   really.... interesting...

TWWIII   Mr Lin, my friend from Taiwan, is being by China to do inspection, to there to do Lithium cores for purity

Baxter   oh...ok......

TWWIII   *samples

TWWIII   he's the R&D man for the alkali cores in Ningbo, China some yrs ago.

Baxter   he must have some miles on him... geez

Baxter   I have never traveled outside the U.S. ...other than Viet Nam

Baxter   well... Canada... but thats not overseas...

TWWIII   I kno, Iv known him for abt 30 yrs, he had a location in Bremerton, WA for UofW

firefarmer   I have been in this long enough that I just believe that it will happen some day just not likely today. Rest assured that when it happens I will still be ready

Baxter   me too firefarmer

Baxter   ANDRE.... Welcome Back...    R wee gonna be rich this week...

Andrewhatidid   I'm happy and laughing at those loosers you should too I taught (thought)  you was a dinar investor foreign investor

Andrewhatidid   those loosers should lock their self up in a room and don't 3v3r come out no more

Baxter   Im about 1/8 Cherokee Indian... is that foreign enough

Andrewhatidid   they fail with 3verything they try those DEEP state dems looserss they even fail with trying to impeach Mahdi also instead they got 3rd reform getting implementing and only 2 more left after Sunday

Andrewhatidid   they speed up the process faster by trying to bring us down

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IQD CALLS Chat Friday 11-8-19

IQD CALLS Chat Friday 11-8-19

Portmagaland   Baxter called it awile ago about silver getting smashed when China and the U.S. become besties again. Did they eliminate the tariffs? Yesterday I heard they were talking about eliminating the tariffs, but I didnt see if that they did?

Doug_W   Portmagaland not yet

larrykn   Baghdad: Prime   Minister Adel Abdul Mahdi's office said Friday that criminal and terrorist acts accompanied demonstrations in Iraq, while noting that they have nothing to do with democratic practices, calling on demonstrators to maintain the peacefulness of demonstrations and give a bright and bright image. To miss the opportunity for those who are evil in Iraq.

"The demonstrations were accompanied by criminal and terrorist acts and are clearly visible in order to undermine the prestige of the state and weaken its capabilities and target the people and security of Iraq," the office said in a statement carried by the official channel.

"These acts have nothing to do with democratic practices, such as the murder of citizens and security forces," he said, adding that "the penalty for the crime of threatening to commit a crime against innocent citizens and security forces is not more than seven years in prison."

"The crime of beating, wounding or violence against innocent citizens and the security forces is punishable by imprisonment for not more than one year," the office said.

"The crime of preventing state employees from carrying out their duties is punishable by imprisonment for a period of not more than three years," he said, adding that "the crime of vandalizing, demolishing, destroying or defrauding public buildings or property dedicated to government departments, interests, public utilities or state facilities, including transportation, Bridges are severely punished."

"The crime of incitement and encouragement with financial assistance to sabotage, destroy or damage buildings or government interests or damage to buildings or government interests," the statement said. Public facilities are punishable by up to 20 years' imprisonment."

larrykn   "The crime of violating orders issued by the competent authorities, including the imposition of a curfew at specified times, is punishable by imprisonment," he said, adding that "the crime of attacking security forces within the areas and squares of demonstrations is punishable by imprisonment."

"The crime of spreading rumours, propaganda and false news in various public ways to sow terror in the hearts of citizens is punishable by imprisonment," the statement said, noting that "the crime of publicly inciting non-compliance with the law in force is punishable by imprisonment."

The statement called on the demonstrators to "commit themselves to peaceful demonstrations to demand legitimate rights so that the state can implement them, reject the acts that have been criminalized by Iraqi law and cooperate with security to arrest the elements who are offensive to them."

The statement called on the demonstrators to "maintain the peacefulness of the demonstrations and give a bright and bright image to miss the opportunity for those who are righteous in Iraq to be evil," pointing out that "the state is committed to taking legal action against the perpetrators of these crimes." https://www.mawazin.net/Details.aspx?jimare=71845

Portmagaland   larrykn Too bad we dont apply thise same standards with Antifa, although we are making a little progress as some are getting locked up, but most aren't because those masks.

Portmagaland   larrykn The crime of spreading rumors and propaganda, that sounds like our MSM, Adam Schift and company. It's tough for me to hold a different standard for Iraq, when we have some of the same discord brewing up over here.

Portmagaland   The only reason they dont shoot us is because we will shoot back, see Bundy Ranch standoff as that got real, real.

Portmagaland   If they ever get pur guns, we'll be throwing rocks like the rest of the world.

Portmagaland   Maybe while wearing yellow vests, too

spankie   hope the tarrifs stay on forever so maybe we get quality american made goods and higher paying good jobs instead of the third world direction we are going now- walmart will get hurt and the dollar stores - the junk they sell is garbage and they pollute the globe with that stuff

spankie   rather pay mo money and get something that will last

Baxter   I cant find a thing other than that one article about the killings at the cbi.... I wonder if its bogus

Doug_W   like so many others...

Baxter   yeh... I dont know....

Baxter   and I havent found anything where the 2% compliance is out of whack either

Baxter   other than what Kap said

Doug_W   ID believe that 2% they had the 4ever and nothing hapened

Baxter   not saying he is wrong.. just havent found anything

Baxter   I know

Baxter   two years or more

Doug_W   yes

Zig   Baxter : Probably because Kap is the only one out there who seems to give a sh** about the 2%......LOL

Baxter   i know

Zig   Kap stands alone.....lol

Baxter   thats for sure

Doug_W   Zig stands alone

Zig   Baxter : Ya know....you hardly ever hear anything about "Stryker".....I just looked and his forum is still there....all private now.....I used to be a member until he started charging a monthly fee.....were you ever a member there??

Zig   Anyone?

TWWIII   Something kind of weird in the sky at 9:15am here in Vancouver,WA. There were 2 chem trails displaying 2 HUGE "Q's" in formation. It may have also been seen in the Portland, OR sky's.

Baxter   Aliens again?

Baxter   TWW..... any news from overseas?? I keep reading articles about 12 bank employees of CBI killed the other day.... just wonder if its true or not...heard anything?

TWWIII   Baxter Just 2 from yesterday I posted. During gag order, I dont get any email from for up to 3 wks..

Baxter   oh...ok.... thx  I havent found anything else about it.. if it were true..you would think there would be more articles out about it

TWWIII   Baxter there is another gag order now

Baxter   I heard that...thx

TWWIII   Baxter Well he is in Kuwait so a lot of MSM doesnt come out with news. Beside IMPEACHMENT seems more important

Baxter   crazy world... isnt it

TWWIII   yeppers

TWWIII   Well we open today in 20 minutes, funding day, so I will be in & out today.

Baxter   ok...

Zig   Bif : I wonder if they must be in Article Vlll to float the currency or can they do it at any time......

Wilder   A source close to the matter told Breaking Israel News that: “There is no way that such a thing could be done without direct permission from the highest levels of the Vatican. The Colloseum of Rome is owned by the Vatican. https://www.breakingisraelnews.com/139530/under-watchful-eye-vatican-canaanite-idol-moloch-on-display-in-rome/

Zig   Baxter : Waiting for Kap to answer me regarding the Article 8 thing and the float thingy.....will post if he replies.....whether the CBI would float without being in Article 8.....etc.....

Baxter   Ok... thx....

Baxter   He should have an interesting answer...

Zig   Debatable as most people disagree with anything he says....lol.....who knows.....

Zig   I consider everything.....

Baxter   Well.. he does put a lot of time in research.... its just not what most people want to hear...

Baxter   So Do I.... I dont even rule out this GCR Idea completely... you never know

spankie   Kap says value goes up as investors come in-- I think value first will draw in the investors and also make it easy for Iraq to rebuld and Iraq peeps will have money to spend - any other way wont work - toooo slo jo

Portmagaland   Wilder Not surprised about the Pope rocking a Molloch Statue and neither is anyone else who has gone down that rabbit hole.

Portmagaland   spankie I agree with you.

Portmagaland   Baxter You already know I'm a GCR guy.

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IQD CALLS Chat Thursday Night 11-7-19 Part 2 of 2

IQD CALLS Chat Thursday Night 11-7-19 Part 2 of 2

Crazycrypto   UN needs to step in

madness   now if we had 100000 iraqs locked and loaded barrelling down on the gov. yeah then iran would get the* out

Crazycrypto   i agree they did make gallows lol

Crazycrypto   and threatened to kill corrupt politcians

madness   lol I saw that

Crazycrypto   they have had it cant blame em

madness   yeah alot of them have already fled the country

Crazycrypto   sadr did too

Crazycrypto   that gguy is snake

Crazycrypto   thin hes working with iran also and pretending to be for the people

Crazycrypto   of iraq

madness   yeah the so called gurus made it seem he was a good guy that would push the rv

Crazycrypto   funny how sadr won and gave it to mahdi

madnesss   pot on crazy thats what I see too

Crazycrypto   a pro iranian puppet

madness   the fox watching the hen house

Crazycrypto   yep

madness   really sad, for a minute there seems like we were all so close, get the iraq jobs, raise the rate, we benefit they benefit, damm punk arsse iran

Crazycrypto   seemed close but were we really close?

Crazycrypto   seems theur intentions were to stall reforms

madness   well for a second it seemed it might go

Crazycrypto   and keep stealng

madness   well they are still stealing, so just got to see how far the distance on this goes

madness    the citizens have already stated they are not backing down

Crazycrypto   they wont back down   those are some * dertermined ppl   they ave nothing to lose

Crazycrypto   they have no future

madness   if the iran idiots had half a brain, they would say, ok the gig is up we stole what we could lets get the hell out of here, but common sense is not so common anymore

madness   greed the ultimate killer

Crazycrypto   true but once iran loses its influence of power in iraq its over for them

madness   well once we step in there toast anyway

Crazycrypto   sanctions are destroying them already

Crazycrypto   yep once we get involved iran is done for Trump is playing chess

madness   I am surprised the US did not force the cbi to change the rate and send an even more crushing blow

madness   if they raised the rate oh wow even worse hurting on iran

Crazycrypto   iran is desperate they are only doing harm t themselves by killing iraqis

Crazycrypto   evil usually destroys itself

madness   they say this is the worst it has been in decades

madness   well if I have to make a bet, my dinar is the iraq citizens will win this one

Crazycrypto   yea allso its spreading   even to Kuwait   and kurdistan

madness   yeah now even kuwait is going bonkers   and lebonan

Crazycrypto   the younger generation doesnt want these old idiots in there any longer

madness   yep

Wilder   https://youtu.be/-NCl460PxU0  . Anyone here from New York? Gun confiscation?

Baxter   No.. but I just saw where Bloomberg is gonna run for President

Wilder   He's an idiot

spankie   finally a possible contender--

spankie   like 25 demos running for pres

Wilder    Los Angelas Times Opinion. Michael Bloomberg can beat Donald Trump, but can he beat Elizabeth Warren.

spankie   is it a biased newspaper- maybe a demo owns it-- hmm

Wilder   https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2019-11-07/michael-bloomberg-2020-presidential-campaign

spankie   just like the impeachment thing or the russia thing - on and on w the slander

Wilder   They have nothing better to write about. Impeachment is nothing more than a distraction IMO. They don't mind spending our money over stupidity.

Wilder   They're all a bunch of intellectual idiots.

Jo   Wilder Yes it's all a big distraction of who knows what something much bigger likely? and nothing is getting done on our dime or our TRILLIONS of tax $$$$$$

Wilder   Not doung anything for you and I. Their pockets are getting full tho

Jo   And the Dems seem to want more Gov which = more taxes. Really? Now I pay up to 48% (33% Income Tax self employed + when I for instance buy a airline ticket 15% more tax) of my income to taxes. Socialism will be 90%+ of my taxes I do not want that! Do You?

Wilder   I've been getting hit hard for the past several years. This gov't in not for the small business man, or woman anymore.

Baxter   LINK

Baxter   \Theres a link for ya   I think it works   My thats a big link...

Wilder   Baxter from your link .

Twelve employees of the Central Bank of Iraq were killed and another was wounded by a random shooting of security forces in Baghdad, local sources said.

Earlier in the day, security forces closed the gates of the Central Bank of Iraq and Rafidain Bank, the main branch in Rashid Street, after dozens of protesters gathered in the surrounding area.

These tight measures prompted the employees of the Central Bank and Rafidain Bank to exit from one of the gates of the building overlooking the river.

However, during the exit, a female employee and a central bank employee were shot dead by random security forces as they tried to disperse the protesters. An employee of Rafidain Bank was wounded, according to local sources.

Twilight News could not confirm the information from the Iraqi Interior or the Central Bank

spankie   gov tells us when and how to do it and gives all handouts to those who care not to work - socialism- sorta like communism

Baxter   Wilder.. thx... Not Good At All...

Baxter   Wait till Chattels sees that....

Wilder   spankie get me started. A while back i shared here what I pay for my wifes and I healthcare. I have fanily member wifes side that has no insurance. She recently had a heart attack which I'm thanful she is doing well. Her husband and her have 13 different rental properties which they don't consider as income so they was abke to get free health care which paid her total bill. Good for them I'll say but bullcrap on my end. This system is so not right.

Wilder   Baxter it's not good.

Baxter   nope

spankie   Rental income is passive income- if they break even at the end of year it is honest- rentals favor the owners tax wise- loop holes –

Wilder   Even when its their only income? Prooerties clear of any liens paid off?

spankie   knowledge is power- good CPA can work wonders- especially when this goes down

spankie   sounds crooked to me-- hmmm

Portmagaland   SHAFAAQ should be WEFAAQED

Portmagaland   news

Wilder   It is. spankie

Wilder   Portmagaland WEFAAQED??

Portmagaland   Wilder Baxter posted an article from shafaaq news

Portmagaland   Translated means wefaaqed it was a joke

Wilder   Portmagaland oh.

Portmagaland   You know We*

Portmagaland   It sounds like that

Wilder   Wonderful.

Portmagaland   Kind of funny?

Wilder   This stupid dinar. Makes want ti fi buy a tazer gun and use it on nyself

Portmagaland   Wilder u dont need dinar is more painful

Portmagaland   Theres always tomorrow

Portmagaland   Sweet silvers below 17

Wilder   How can they not consider rental property as earned income? Whats the yse of keeping records of maintenance or upgrade costs for writeoffs if its not income? Especially when its your only source of income?

Wilder   Why is silver down?

Portmagaland   Because it's not us

Portmagaland   China I.S. saying no more tariffs

Portmagaland   U.S.

Portmagaland   If it was our rental property we'd be taxed

Francis Albert   In a speculative investment such as this with potential big upsides, if one wants to be "right" often, simply be a contrarian. 90% of the time, people think you are smarter than the rest. When the 10% happens and you are wrong, no one cares. Kap is a contrarian. Don't swing at fast balls in the dirt. The "rules" say lots of things. Banks don't play by the rules, ever.

Portmagaland   True

Francis Albert   p.d. And just like here, 95% of the news out of Iraq is fake news.

spankie   Francis Albert agree w that-

spankie   like u cannot believe the fake news here

spankie   quit watching tv 10 years ago-

spankie   losing too many brain cells- lol

spankie   manana

Wilder   Sears to close 96 more stores; gets cash lifeline. CASH LIFELINE? Think if i close my plumbing business I could get a cash lifeline?

Wilder   Thats including K-Marts also.

Wilder   https://chainstoreage.com/sears-close-96-more-stores-gets-cash-lifeline

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IQD CALLS Chat Thursday Night 11-7-19 Part 1 of 2

IQD CALLS Chat Thursday Night 11-7-19 Part 1 of 2

Jsst   UN offers to be a guarantor between the government ,parliament and demonstrators..... :hamer h UN offers to be a guarantor between the government ,parliament and demonstrators

Zig   @Loren: Hi....Last time you were here you mentioned Kuwait and I posted a link to where you could read about one of our member's experience with the Kuwaiti Dinar.....did you see it?.....if not, want me to post it again?

TWWIII   Zig Here is a recent email from Kuwait: Sorry I must not have seen the Email we had a gag order.

For two cups of coffee, I’d say maybe a quarter cup of coffee grounds and use paper filter just to keep the silt from the grounds getting through.

I haven’t heard anything about protests so I have no idea haha. I know u said that the Iraqis were protesting here in Kuwait. No not at this time. Things are com here just dealing with Iran big time.

Nothing that hasn’t really been on the news. (NEW NEWS) Hesbula is about to get Kurb stomped by Israel, but I’m sure you’ve heard about that. I will let u know of new developments.  Col xxxxxx xxxxxx

Zig   TWWIII : How did you come to know this person?

TWWIII   Zig I have know him & his family for some 30 yrs

TWWIII   Zig I am emailing my cuzn in Israel, Ya'covv, today for new abt Israel mentioned above

Zig   TWWIII : You seem to know people all over the world....lol....Too bad your Asian friend won't give this chat another chance.....

TWWIII   Zig If u knew my past, u'd understand

TWWIII   Zig Thought I'd confirm what we talked abt before I was deployed. We were talking abt the relationship with Iraq & Kuwait. Last year when Kuwait had set up the multi country to invest in Iraq and very little money promised, due to Iraqi currency was totally worthless.

Kuwait tried to explained how they did their RI of their currency in 1991. Iraq refused. Thus no investments. One must keep their eyes & ears on Kuwait. Tomorrow I will be at a bank & will check on the rate for some IQD for you. Let me know how much u'd like. We have heard that new IQD's are out. I'll take some pix & send them to you if I can. I have to get permission.

Lastly, Mahdi has told Kuwait to keep their nose out of Iraqs business. He has alerted the banks & financial community not to communicate with anyone in Kuwait. Rumor is that Kuwait is waiting for the new elections. We will wait and see.

Miss you guys. Now no telling when we will be back home, leave a room open LOL

larrykn   TWWIII what branch are you in

TWWIII   He is in the US Army

larrykn   cool :)

Baxter   pix of the new currency would be great

TWWIII   Sgt Grabski & family just arrived, goota go, L8TRZ

larrykn   Baxter did you know that they have notes that were made in 2003 (most of us old timers have that one) and then in 2015 they created a new notes.

larrykn   thats the 25K notes

Baxter   I have the old ones

larrykn   me too

Baxter   I havent bought in years

larrykn   but you get more for the new notes if you sell them now

Zig   We all have 2003 unless you have recently purchased more......

larrykn   thats right   if you bought after 2015 you have the new notes

Baxter   I do have about a million in ten thousand notes... some 5000 notes....most are 25 K notes though..

Baxter   I would rather have my DIMES

Zig    Kaperoni Tweet today:... "Looking at the auctions numbers today Iraq has fell out of 2% compliance...I would expect that means the CBI needs to start over, sustain it for another 90 days or more once back in compliance... No IMF Article VIII for a while unfortunately."

Wheresmyrv?   That stinks they fell out of the 2% compliance

TWWIII   Clay Last night gold dipped down to 1,462.60 & silver 16.92...so I ordered last night & picked my silver rounds up for the 16.92, when ever gold dip so does silver as a rule. I always check on gold price first. If gold dips, silver seems to dip. I just weighed my silver & itz at 8.5 lbs.

Zig   Baxter : Do you think that Article Vlll is absolutely necessary for there to be any rate increase?.....many disagree with Kap about that.....

Baxter   yes.. I do.....unfortunately

Zig   ;crying;

Baxter   every country with an international currency is in article 8   no exceptions   NONE

Baxter   its what protects the good guys from the derelicts   and we have a derelict

Zig   Why can't there be a rate increase without Article Vlll?

Baxter   Iraq has never been in Article 8 status...

Baxter   probably could.. but it wouldnt do us any good   how would you cash it in

Zig   Hmmmmm

Baxter   banks wont accept it

Zig:   hamer h

Baxter   when the banks did sell the dinar.. it was sold as an exotic currency  it was not tradeable..

Zig   Kaperoni Tweet today:... "Looking at the auctions numbers today Iraq has fell out of 2% compliance...I would expect that means the CBI needs to start over, sustain it for another 90 days or more once back in compliance... No IMF Article VIII for a while unfortunately."

Baxter   that is an interesting comment though... I dont know if they could increase the value... you would have to ask Kap that..   yes.. I saw his comment...   its a BAD DAY for us

Zig   ;angry

Baxter    sorry   LOL   if its true... Kap probably knows

Baxter   MICHAEL BLOOMBURG... is gonna run for President on the Democratic Ticket..... according to NBC news..

Baxter   That I dont know either... I do know.... after reading the rules... you have to be in Article 8 to have an international currency... and Iraq.. is not...

Crazycrypto   correct but this 2% crap is just that   crap

Baxter   well... it is in the rules.... I read that also...

Crazycrypto   rules are meant to be changed

Baxter   can it be circumvented.... who knows   not I

Zig   Baxter : Maybe they allow a small slip.....lol.....if they get back quickly within the 2%.....

Baxter   there you go...   think positive... RV tomorrow

Zig'   happy-dance

Crazycrypto   nope   follow the news  follow the cbi

Baxter   well... I think Kap is.....

Crazycrypto   kap knows all

Baxter   I believe he does know the rules... whether or not... they can be stretched a little... not a clue

Baxter   yes... it was 2 years of compliance... or something like that

Goofus   They could screwup a 1 man parade

Baxter   which the 2 years... may have some influence... who knows

Crazycrypto   mahdi and abadi did nothing while PM   same with maliki

Baxter   nope...nadda

madness   oh boy this cannot be good.

Crazycrypto    all shia iran backed

madness   Twelve employees of the Central Bank of Iraq were killed and another was wounded by a random shooting of security forces in Baghdad, local sources said.

Baxter   wow

madness   this cant be good

Baxter   not good at all

Baxter   you have a link for that

Crazycrypto   madness i also believe alaq is no good as well

madness   it was on recapps

Baxter   oh..ok

Crazycrypto   we are seeing a cleansing of iran

Crazycrypto   good riddance

madness   agree crazy

Crazycrypto   u don think iran had peopleat the cbi?

Crazycrypto   think again

Baxter   oh..im sure they do

madness   it says they cant confirm but seems like they were evacuating the employees and the security forces shot them, now who is going to do the rv if they are shooting bank employees this is insane if turns out to be true

Crazycrypto   madness i dnt think iraq is in control of the rv

Crazycrypto   no way **

Crazycrypto   god forbid if iran profits off of it

madness   we need to get some guns in the hands of the iraq citizens, from the looks of it, it looks like iran security forces are killing them

Crazycrypto   wouldnt be good

Crazycrypto   yep iran revolutionary guard

Crazycrypto   was an article on it today

Crazycrypto   iraqis are said to be planning a 1 million march soon

madness   looks like kap said they fell out of 2 percent, gee one would think the is last of the damm problems right now, looks like they are headed for an all out war against the gov.

Baxter   it sure does madness

Crazycrypto   the whole country is fed up with iran

Crazycrypto   even the kurds

Crazycrypto   u know its bad

Baxter   it hasnt been this bad in a long time

madness   yeah I dont see any rv now or this year, keep that dime on life support for now

Crazycrypto   stalled reforms, and stealing money through currency auctions no chance of rv with iranian puppets as leaders

Crazycrypto   they need to fall  and be ousted  let them run and hide in iran

madness   yeah no rv until they get iran out of there and from the looks of it, iran would rather kill them then get the hell out

Crazycrypto   they cant kill millions     Un is also there and the U.S

madness   the US needs to step in

Crazycrypto   they already are

Crazycrypto   u think trump is sitting back?

Crazycrypto   iraq is ours

madness   well then they need to get some guns into iraqs so they can at least fight back

Crazycrypto   we left syria for iraq weeks ago

Madness   well it was us that said have at, but when only one side has guns, that is not a fair fight

Crazycrypto   true UN needs to do their  *  job instead of observing

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