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IQD CALLS Chat Early Wednesday 10-23-19

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chattels   Tuesday, October 22, 2019   Security In Iraq Oct 1-14, 2019

chattels   The first two weeks of October showed that the Islamic State pays attention to political developments in Iraq. During the first week of the month protests erupted in Baghdad and across the south with the government gunning down scores of people.

The insurgents almost halted their operations as a result. If the group’s goal is to overthrow the government, they were not going to act when the people were threatening it.

Any large attack might have distracted people’s attention away from Baghdad. When protests ended, IS went right back to attacks in the second week of the month.

chattels   Esper arrives in Baghdad to discuss US troop deployments

chattels   Kirk H. Sowell @UticaRisk    Much of Russian TV right now is video of American troops leaving Syria on loop replay.

chattels   A good read if you missed it from yesterday. " How to think about Iraq’s demonstrations"   Douglas A. Ollivant October 22, 2019

IQD CALLS Chat Early Wednesday 10-23-19

chattels   Tuesday, October 22, 2019   Security In Iraq Oct 1-14, 2019

http://musingsoniraq.blogspot.com/2019/10/security-in-iraq-oct-1-14-2019.html

chattels   The first two weeks of October showed that the Islamic State pays attention to political developments in Iraq. During the first week of the month protests erupted in Baghdad and across the south with the government gunning down scores of people.

The insurgents almost halted their operations as a result. If the group’s goal is to overthrow the government, they were not going to act when the people were threatening it.

Any large attack might have distracted people’s attention away from Baghdad. When protests ended, IS went right back to attacks in the second week of the month.

chattels   Esper arrives in Baghdad to discuss US troop deployments

2 hours ago https://www.rudaw.net/english/middleeast/iraq/23102019

chattels   Kirk H. Sowell @UticaRisk    Much of Russian TV right now is video of American troops leaving Syria on loop replay. https://twitter.com/UticaRisk

chattels   A good read if you missed it from yesterday. " How to think about Iraq’s demonstrations"   Douglas A. Ollivant October 22, 2019

Read more: https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2019/10/iraq-protests-reasons-renaissance.html#ixzz63AJX7mI0

chattels   An interesting read, " Who betrayed Syria’s Kurds?"   Amberin Zaman October 21, 2019

Read more: https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2019/10/turkey-incursion-syria-betrayed-kurds-kobane.html#ixzz63AK2Ef1T

chattels   Sadr calls on his followers and supporters to prepare for every emergency as of Thursday night

Tuesday , 22 October 18:48 2019 https://ninanews.com/Website/News/Details?Key=793791

chattels   Al-Sajri calls for the dissolution of parliament and the formation of a national rescue government with legislative powers from outside the current politicians

Wednesday 23 October 11:16 2019 https://ninanews.com/Website/News/Details?Key=793879

chattels   And that's the way that it is from the news that I read out of Iraq on this Wednesday, October 23, 2019.

chattels   Have a fine day all.

Young_SC   Baxter The protest is what we need

Young_SC   Its more pressure placed on what the citizens want from the GOI

Doug_W   it worked in Hong Kong so maybe?

Baxter   have you been listening to that about Iraq being upset these new troops came in

Doug_W   shold we send him to the principal's office?

Baxter   and they have 30 days to leave

23 Oct 19, 11:23 AM Baxter   that is not good at all

Doug_W   throwing tomatoes at us as a Thank You 4 saving them

Doug_W   very unappreciative ppl

Baxter   I can see my dimes dwindling by the minute

Baxter   they are even talking about getting rid of the other 5000 troops over there...

Doug_W   I have always said it takes 3 generations to change a "mind set"

Baxter   Russia is behind this.... big time..

Doug_W   yes

Doug_W   Putin is a sly weasel

Baxter   yes he is

Baxter   the middle east is a no win situation...

Doug_W   not 4 us its not

Baxter   nope..

Doug_W   and IF they didn't have oil~~~

Baxter   we will see what happens Friday..in Iraq

Baxter   I think all * is gonna break loose

Doug_W   I raq has been raped for decades now they are tired of it

biff   30 days to move troops lol. We have space for them in Kuwait. We have troops in Kuwait.

Doug_W   that is all news media Fluff

biff   Doug_W Not media fluff I worked in the desert with the troops

Baxter   NEWS..NEWS..EXCELLENT NEWS FROM A TRUSTED SOURCE: YOU ONLY WILL SEE IT HERE: ARE YOU READY: STAND BY FOR NEWS: 10-23-2019 Intel Guru Bruce [via WiserNow] ...Lets talk a little bit about what happened Saturday...Iraq reinstated/ or revalued their dinar...it was known to be international...It’s not known here yet – we know it early because of our contacts in Iraq - but that is excellent news...

this is the first fruits of what we all have been waiting for 15-16 years as far as what the dinar could be worth - 8.22 - and I understand it went up slightly from there – it could be higher than that now...Now will the dong be far from it – should not be that far away...I know roughly Its going to be in that range.

 

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IQD CALLS Chat Tuesday Night 10-22-19

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Brionna   What is happening in Iraq and currency revaluing?

Doug_W   Brionna SOS DD

Matt   Brionna :Welcome Lots of opinions out on it so who knows ? I like Jeff DI https://www.iqdcalls.com/Dinar-Investor.html but ?

Brionna   K Who knows ...keeping hoping soon. Thanks

Brionna   Be back later

Crazycrypto   watch tomorrow into thursday night seems we will know where we stand in our investment

Crazycrypto   clock is ticking GOI

Crazycrypto   the citizens must hold their feet to the fire

Crazycrypto   give them no room to breathe

Young_SC   Crazycrypto i agree

Young_SC   I think things are going to be forced

IQD CALLS Chat Tuesday Night 10-22-19

Brionna   What is happening in Iraq and currency revaluing?

Doug_W   Brionna SOS DD

Matt   Brionna :Welcome Lots of opinions out on it so who knows ? I like Jeff DI https://www.iqdcalls.com/Dinar-Investor.html but ?

Brionna   K Who knows ...keeping hoping soon. Thanks

Brionna   Be back later

Crazycrypto   watch tomorrow into thursday night seems we will know where we stand in our investment

Crazycrypto   clock is ticking GOI

Crazycrypto   the citizens must hold their feet to the fire

Crazycrypto   give them no room to breathe

Young_SC   Crazycrypto i agree

Young_SC   I think things are going to be forced

madness   things are looking pretty shakey right now

Young_SC   They are

madness   either they giter done or all ** breaks loose, wonder which way it will fly

madness   common sense says if they dont do something quick, we gonna be chatting for a year maybe a couple of years, makes you wonder, is that really what they want, all this work they have done to let a corrupt few blow the who country back into chaos

madness   sure as ** wont be the first time as my research has shown me

madness   not who I meant whole country

Young_SC   They will do something

Young_SC   Citizens are fed up

madness   yeah 1 million pissed off out of work broke and hungry people coming at you, yeah they better do something double time

madness   if they resign the Gov. then for sure were not going to see an rv for a while, thats just logically speaking

sandyf   @Chattels What was significant about the interview with Gen, Tant ?

The information on the background was quite significant and 2 points in particular, the rate at the introduction of the new Dinar being 1955/USD and how that rate had come about.

"TANT: Yes. The original currency of the country was called the Swiss dinar. The Kurdish area up in the north is where they used that: north of the no-fly zone line. They mainly continued to operate in the Swiss dinar, the original currency.That currency was not replaced,recycled, if you will, and it had a lot more value than the Saddam dinar.

There were some negotiations that went on about how to exchange this currency, and at what rate,for the new dinar. The rate ended up being 150 to one. In other words, in the Kurdish area, when they turned in Swiss dinars to one of the operating banks used during the exchange (and there were about 243 banks used during the exchange), they would get 150 of the new dinar for one of the Swiss dinar. The Swiss dinar basically had three denominations.

But, in the great majority of the country, they had the Saddam dinar with Saddam's face on it. There were basically only two denominations of that: there was a 10,000-dinar note, which was worth about $5, and there was a 250-dinar note, which was worth about 12.5 cents, 12 cents.

The reason its value had dropped so low was because of Saddam’s inflationary monetary policy.

In comparison, back in the '80s, before the Saddam dinar came about, the rate of exchange was about $3 to one dinar. But because of Saddam there was now a total upside-down situation where one dollar was worth about 2,300 dinar."

chattels   I recall the interview and the historical fact(s), but i am dense as to what it tells us now or about the future prospects of the dinar ?

chattels   I am not challenging anyone, just trying to understand.

chattels   Iraqi official report on protests recommends removing a number of prominent security officials, among them the Baghdad Operations Commander. http://mobp.as/w47Yp

chattels   Nasr Coalition in Iraq: the official report on protests is incomplete. How did Security Forces Commanders lose control of their forces for so many days in so many provinces? Who were the snipers? Who attacked TV stations? http://wataniq.com/news?ID=45534

chattels   Iraqi Joint Forces Command: US Forces withdrawing from Syria do not have permission to stay in Iraq. There is an agreement for them to pass through Iraq and then leave. http://mobp.as/oB4Yp

chattels   With well over a hundred fatalities and thousands of wounded, Iraq’s demonstrations are not over, merely on hold while a major religious holiday is observed in Iraq’s south. Baghdad has a brief respite before they will reportedly resume on Oct. 25.

Read more: https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2019/10/iraq-protests-reasons-renaissance.html#ixzz638TzO22r

chattels   " .............. Iraq’s post-sectarian nationalism exists within a country whose governance — and by extension, its nationalized economy — borders on the dysfunctional. A perfect storm of a poorly constructed constitution, electoral votes spread between multiple parties, corruption that doubles as Iraq’s campaign finance system, a bloated public sector, an authoritarian history that strongly discourages initiative and a decayed educational system that leaves many Iraqis without basic competencies has frustrated any attempts (albeit most of them half-hearted) to implement reforms.

Read more: https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2019/10/iraq-protests-reasons-renaissance.html#ixzz638UUqykz

chattels   Unfortunately, it is unclear what the government can do to allay the complaints of Iraq’s youth. The Iraqi state, post-2003, has worked — to the extent it can be said to — by putting Iraqi citizens on the public payroll.

Today there are almost three million Iraqis with public sector jobs and at least an equal number of pensioners. However, the state has reached the pinnacle of its ability to provide employment.

There is simply no more money to hire Iraq’s newly graduating cohorts, let alone public sector work for them to do. The formula that has worked — kind of — for 15 years is simply no longer viable. Even petrodollars can only take you so far.

Read more: https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2019/10/iraq-protests-reasons-renaissance.html#ixzz638UkEFjy

chattels   The removal of the problems that defined the American occupation of Iraq — sectarianism and insurgency — have left the deep structural problems of Iraq’s government and its political economy exposed.

Iraq’s newly functioning society is asking why its government is not similarly repairing itself. The demonstrations are a tangible expression of this basic question. That guns have — to date — been the answer is not encouraging. One can only hope that better answers emerge should the demonstrations renew within the week as expected.

Read more: https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2019/10/iraq-protests-reasons-renaissance.html#ixzz638V44D9F

chattels   Families of Sadr City ‘martyrs’ say protests will resume

Shelly Kittleson October 20, 2019   Read more: https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2019/10/iraq-protests-sadr-city-baghdad.html#ixzz638VDnqYD

chattels   The House of Representatives: the next meeting on schedule on Saturday

Tuesday , 22 October 20:13 2019  Baghdad / Nina / The House of Representatives announced that its next meeting will be held on schedule on Saturday, the twenty-sixth of October https://ninanews.com/Website/News/Details?key=793800

chattels   NASA: Ozone hole significantly reduced

Wednesday 23, October 2019 https://ninanews.com/Website/News/Details?Key=793834

chattels   The meeting will be devoted to the follow - up Vant B demonstrators, and discuss the government report to investigate the attacks on demonstrators, in the presence of a number of executives, "noting that he" did not respond to the Presidency of the Council of Representatives so far no legal request for an emergency session. " / is over

https://ninanews.com/Website/News/Details?key=793801

chattels   Ozone layer story just sort of slipped in there above. :)

chattels   ERBIL, Kurdistan Region – At least 157 protesters were killed during the protests which swept Iraq earlier this month, a report published by the Human Rights Office of the United Nationals Assistance Mission in Iraq (UNAMI) confirmed on Tuesday. It put the number of injured at 5,494. https://www.rudaw.net/english/middleeast/iraq/221020191

chattels   Have a fine evening all.

sandyf   @Andrewhatidid don't worry the revaluation of the dinar going to happen out of no where just like the brexit was approved out of no where today.

Absolute garbage. Last weeks brexit agreement did not come "out of nowhere", it was proposed years ago but rejected by the UK under Theresa May. The new PM Johnson conceded to the EU's proposal to try and get any deal.  Once again it has all come unstuck.

"Boris Johnson has been forced to slam the brakes on his Brexit deal after suffering another damaging Commons defeat while hinting at a general election to settle the new crisis." https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-vote-deal-timetable-boris-johnson-mps-delay-general-election-a9167011.html

Portmagaland   sandyf I'm with Chattels on being dense regarding that interview. I appreciate you digging it up.and posting it for us to read and I too, was wondering how it translates to current events regarding the dinar? Do you have any thoughts?

 

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IQD CALLS Chat Monday Evening 10-21-19

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Sandyf   @Sergio Revaluation of Iraqi Dinar - The best example of Iraqi dinar revaluation is the Kuwaiti Dinar revaluation that occurred in 1990 and people who invested in the Kuwaiti dinar became billionaire over night.

Hi Seck, glad to see you are still out and about, I am getting a bit too old these days for it all. Thanks for bringing the General Tant interview up, I did some time ago and it was rubbished. Some would rather shoot the messenger than consider the facts.

As for Kuwait, there was never any revaluation, during the occupation the KWD was removed as the national currency and then reinstated.

During that time the Central Bank of Kuwait still operated in exile and they never changed anything, a revaluation can only come from the Central Bank, anything else is speculation. This is how the reinstated value came about.

" The banks were instructed to set their accounts at their August 1, 1990 levels, and to pay interest on savings and fixed deposit accounts for the entire period of the occupation."

You can read the whole Kuwait saga in this document "The Impact of the Iraqi Invasion on the Kuwaiti Banking and

Financial System: Lessons Learned from a Financial Crisis"

You may have a problem finding it as it looks like it has been removed from CBK website.

biff   I wonder why

IQD CALLS Chat Monday Evening 10-21-19

Sandyf   @Sergio Revaluation of Iraqi Dinar - The best example of Iraqi dinar revaluation is the Kuwaiti Dinar revaluation that occurred in 1990 and people who invested in the Kuwaiti dinar became billionaire over night.

Hi Seck, glad to see you are still out and about, I am getting a bit too old these days for it all. Thanks for bringing the General Tant interview up, I did some time ago and it was rubbished. Some would rather shoot the messenger than consider the facts.

As for Kuwait, there was never any revaluation, during the occupation the KWD was removed as the national currency and then reinstated.

During that time the Central Bank of Kuwait still operated in exile and they never changed anything, a revaluation can only come from the Central Bank, anything else is speculation. This is how the reinstated value came about.

" The banks were instructed to set their accounts at their August 1, 1990 levels, and to pay interest on savings and fixed deposit accounts for the entire period of the occupation."

You can read the whole Kuwait saga in this document "The Impact of the Iraqi Invasion on the Kuwaiti Banking and

Financial System: Lessons Learned from a Financial Crisis"

You may have a problem finding it as it looks like it has been removed from CBK website.

biff   I wonder why

Deano   Go check out the visa exchange site and look at the IQD

Deano   ferates.com/visa exchange rates. I hope I read that right lol.

Clay   .84

Deano   That would be correct

Deano   Could be a start but not getting too excited yet.

Clay   me neither

Dave    84?

Deano   be back later.

Clay   ok

Clay   Dave Visa

Clay   https://ferates.com/visa/usd

Dave    Clay https://ferates.com/iqd

Clay   showing for the IQD

Clay   its showing on yours too

Clay   hit visa at top then scroll down

Young_SC   Clay Dave what is your opinion on this

Clay   the ask and bid price doesnt make sense

Dave   .0008 is what i get

Clay   thats the ask price not the bid

foxmulder   Not that my opinion has any bearing, but we have seen this type of programming before . The forex is the site we need to focus on besides the CBI

Dave   dont know what to make out of it......

Clay   agree Fox

Dave   In Country RV.......<OL

Clay   wish

Clay   if you click on the IQD and type in 1,000,000 it will come up $840

Baxter   YES... BUT MOVE OVER ONE SPACE AND CLICK ON MASTERCARD INSTEAD OF VISA.. IT SHOWS THE GOOD OLE... .0008

Baxter   in other words... its called... ERROR

Baxter   it did that last month too

Baxter   same thing

Goldstar   Whens the currency reset happening

Baxter   I heard it happened yesterday..guess we missed it

Baxter:    ..10-21-2019 Intel Guru MarkZ [via PDK] In Iraq we are hearing in-country at $3.91 and a rumor of $8 possibly out of country …It is a rumor as of now…but from several sources…trying to vet this... The Chinese do have the power to force this…they control the gold...they want it done right though…

The people in Reno desperately want this done so they can go home…I still think the UST is the hold up... [Will we all be under a NDA?] Its very possible …we will not know until we exchange…I hear it will be around 90 days…but all is rumor until we exchange. [Are you still expecting the RV in Oct?] I absolutely am still expecting it in Oct…and am very excited about this week.

Deano   What I want to know is where did andrewetoldthem or whatever got that info from that he put out this morning

chattels   "Abraham Lincoln once asked General (Winfield) Scott: "Why is it that you were once able to take the City of Mexico in three months with five thousand men, and we have been unable to take Richmond with one hundred thousand men in 8 months?

"I will tell you, Sir," said General Scott, "The men who took the City of Mexico are the same men who are keeping us out of Richmond." Confederate Veteran Magazine, September 1913, Page 471.

chattels   Good evening from South of the Mason - Dixon Line.

Matt   Dow Jones Industrial Average  INDEXDJX: .DJI  26,827.64 +57.44 (0.21%)^

chattels   Wow ! ...................... US Secretary of State: US President ready to take military action against Turkey if necessary. https://www.rudaw.net/arabic/world/211020197

chattels   US Forces withdrawing from Syria pass through Iraqi Kurdish Region & settle in base near Mosul in north Iraq. http://mobp.as/R5PYp

chattels   Elements of PYD & PKK throw rocks at US Forces withdrawing from northern Syria. Tomatoes, garbage, spit, stones and rotten fruit flying through the air - targeting retreating U.S soldiers ducking into cover in their armored vehicles

#Qamishli #Syria #Kamışlı #عين_الشمال #القامشلي #Turkey #YPG #SDF  

chattels   https://twitter.com/hashtag/%D8%B9%D9%8A%D9%86_%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B4%D9%85%D8%A7%D9%84?src=hash

chattels   Iraqi Committee investigating violence at recent protests finds that Iraqi government issued no orders to fire on protesters. Security Forces fired on protesters without government orders. (Per Iraqi Human Rights Commission). http://mobp.as/H6PYp

chattels   Courtesy DavidMWitty https://twitter.com/DavidMWitty1?lang=en&lang=en

chattels   Former US president's envoy to the international coalition against the Islamic State (IS), Brett McGurk, accused Turkey of not closing its borders to ISIS recruits while closing it on the Kurds.

https://www.rudaw.net/arabic/world/201020193

chattels   Erdogan impresses me as a bad actor.

chattels   Monday, October 21, 2019

Sadr Joins Protests While Govt Continues With Promises And Crackdown

October 25 is supposed to be the start of a new round of protests in Iraq. In the meantime, Moqtada al-Sadr has thrown in his hat with the demonstrations. On the other hand, the government continues to arrest activists and journalists, while promising reforms. It looks like the country is heading for another confrontation as no one is happy with the status quo. http://musingsoniraq.blogspot.com/2019/10/sadr-joins-protests-while-govt.html

Baxter   I dont think its gonna be... a good Friday

chattels   Facing another round of possible disturbances the government is desperately trying to carry out reforms. Prime Minister Abdul Mahdi issued a statement offering more civil service jobs and training to graduates. There are two investigations underway as well into the violence used against the protests that are supposed to report soon.

The problem is that the killing of demonstrators enraged people so much that they went from the traditional demands for ending corruption and better governance to having the premier step down, and then revolution.

The promises of jobs and commissions are simply not enough to appease anyone anymore. The government for example, is incapable of providing enough employment, which was one of the causes of the unrest to begin with.

foxmulder   chattels excuse my french but he is a putain de maniaque

chattels   October 25 could be a real turning point in recent Iraqi history. If people come out in numbers again and are faced with bullets the country could face an existential crisis. Because of its oil wealth, the Iraqi elite have never felt accountable to the public.

Now that they are finally being asked to do so they face a real dilemma because they are incapable of carrying out real change since the status quo enriches them. Some are bolstered by Iran who wants to keep things as they are as well.

The anger amongst the youth is real, and passed the tipping point of being appeased by Baghdad’s empty promises of better governance. The state violence unleashed as a result was unprecedented. Nothing similar had been seen since the days of Saddam Hussein. It poses a real question for how Iraq can call itself a democracy if it’s only real response to its people is an iron fist.

chattels   " maniac " ?

chattels   https://context.reverso.net/translation/french-english/putain+de+maniaque#****in%27+maniac

foxmulder   chattels Erdogan ...

foxmulder   chattels you said he seemed like a bad actor .. I took it a step further..

chattels   foxmulder :)

Charee   Would anyone know the phone number and pin number for Grandpa Bill's call (aka The No Name Call)

chattels   Have a good evening all. Almost time for Tucker.

chattels   Charee Sorry, I do not.

  

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IQD CALLS Chat Early Monday 10-21-19

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Chattels    The stability of the dollar exchange rate on the local stock exchange

Monday 21 October 09:22 2019  Baghdad / Nina / Foreign currency markets in Baghdad, on Monday, stability in the exchange rate of the US dollar against the Iraqi dinar.

The market price on Al-Kifah exchange reached 1202.5 dinars per dollar, or 120 thousand and 250 dinars for one hundred dollars.

chattels   Waiting for the upcoming demonstrations: What is the way to absorb the anger of the street and achieve the desired reform?

chattels   BAGHDAD / NINA / The economic expert Baqer Mashat called for harnessing human resources to activate the Iraqi private sector.

Al-Mashat said in a statement to the Iraqi National News Agency ( NINA ): "The private sector has proved in many countries of the world a great success," stressing: "The Iraqi economy now needs to activate the private sector in order not to rely on the single financial resource realized from the sale of crude oil Just".

Al-Mashat pointed out: "The activation of the Iraqi private sector will provide a lot of factors, including the employment of unemployed hands in addition to the development of new urban projects, which will lead to a greater flow of funds in the Iraqi market."

IQD CALLS Chat Early Monday 10-21-19

Chattels    The stability of the dollar exchange rate on the local stock exchange

Monday 21 October 09:22 2019  Baghdad / Nina / Foreign currency markets in Baghdad, on Monday, stability in the exchange rate of the US dollar against the Iraqi dinar.

The market price on Al-Kifah exchange reached 1202.5 dinars per dollar, or 120 thousand and 250 dinars for one hundred dollars.

https://ninanews.com/Website/News/Details?key=793507

chattels   Waiting for the upcoming demonstrations: What is the way to absorb the anger of the street and achieve the desired reform?

Sunday 20 October 09:50 2019 https://ninanews.com/Website/News/Details?Key=793350

chattels   BAGHDAD / NINA / The economic expert Baqer Mashat called for harnessing human resources to activate the Iraqi private sector.

Al-Mashat said in a statement to the Iraqi National News Agency ( NINA ): "The private sector has proved in many countries of the world a great success," stressing: "The Iraqi economy now needs to activate the private sector in order not to rely on the single financial resource realized from the sale of crude oil Just".

Al-Mashat pointed out: "The activation of the Iraqi private sector will provide a lot of factors, including the employment of unemployed hands in addition to the development of new urban projects, which will lead to a greater flow of funds in the Iraqi market."

https://ninanews.com/Website/News/Details?key=793542

chattels   The omnipresent absence of implementation and activation in Iraq.

chattels   All talk and little action.

futuremoney   stupidest people on the planet

chattels   Do they want what they cannot create or can they create, but do not really want ?

futuremoney   IMO I believe they know they cant control the money as easily if the private sector is working...a lot easier to control oil money

chattels   Implementing a number of cabinet decisions to meet demonstrators' demands  Monday , 21 October 14:59 2019 https://ninanews.com/Website/News/Details?key=793588

chattels   futuremoney Too corrupt to act for the public good.

futuremoney   yep

chattels   This Friday is the 25th, " Protest and Demonstration Friday." We shall see.

Doug_W   Silver:$17.850 that is +.23

spankie   control the money control the people- keep them broke

Andrewetoldthem   # THE DEAL IS DONE !!!!   R.V. R.V. R.V.

https://www.byblosbank.com/english/iraq/debit/mastercard-platinum

Andrewetoldthem #Are we  ready 4 THIS R.V.

what come next after Abdel Mahdi finish And complete his cabinet ?

# Are we ready 4 THIS REVALUATION !!!!

What come next after iraq have a fully stable complete government ?

What come next after Abdel Mahdi reshuffle Is stable

NN have a complete fulfill government and succeed cabinet

#(THE MAN 4 THE JOB ) !!!!! #ARE WE READY 4 THIS R.V.# WHAT COME NEXT ??????

http://www.idb.iq/master-card.php

Andrewetoldthem    Million $$$ Question

- For years since after George W. Bush presidencies she's been pushing for the revaluation of the dinar

(Why she had to be on the wrong side now ) ???  #Why the rich get richer and the poor get poorer ?

It's not because you (you’re) stupid you have to make some one be stupid with you !!!!!

I'm just GLAD when i was posting the right people was taking it into action

#Liars hate getting proving (proven) wrong

#Something they (they’re) not telling you/ DREAM CRUSHER

# THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THEM THEN AND US NOW WE DON'T TRY TO GET IT DONE  WE GET IT DONE  

Hilary Clinton - Iraq is Projected to Grow Faster Than China

51,789 views•  Nov 9, 2011  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6F6dePPUzI&t=1s

Andrewetoldthem  At least when i also go back doing world ventures  - NN being part of TEAM RAT PACK AGAIN 4 GOOD    I won't be the only 1 that got wealthy of Iraq investment  But i have more then  (than)1 foreign investment

 #iRAQ It's just the taste off the ice bit   #IRAQ it's just the start off  # WHO KNOWS !!!!  # WHAT GIVE (Gives)    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYkUHND1AhI

Andrewetoldthem    Save the best for last

#Like the mafia use to say for years they've been breaking my *

NN we finally got them ** on TAPE !!!!  #THE DEAL IS DONE !!!!!!

https://www.exim.gov/news/exim-signs-memorandum-understanding-iraq’s-ministry-finance-0

Andrewetoldthem   For years and years to come or to pass they've been trying to get this revaluation of the diner to happen but wasn't capable to -- If we were them we would of been mad at us or hate on us

Because Donald J Trump, Mahdi, Halboussi , President Saleh and the great leaders now got it done  In 2 years in the half like it was suppose 2

Right now the completion , The fulfillment, And succeeding is happening  We got it done in 2 years in the half like it was suppose 2  Nn now we getting the completion and the fulfillment left to do is happening

They speak of getting it done -  they say they was (were) going to get it done but wasn't (weren’t able to but it's a problem when GOD Faith and Destiny choose the right people to get it done ?

Like they say if it won't matter in 5 years don't spend more then (than) 5 mins on it

We would just be Glad We got it done at last  The completion , The fulfillment, The succession, All that hating * NN getting mad at us  speaking reckless about us won't even matter

Controversial Prediction: IRAQ is an investment opportunity:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7VpHEuJ7r4

Andrewetoldthem   have a great day

  

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IQD CALLS Chat and News Highlights Sunday Evening 10-20-19

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Larrykn   Economy News _ Baghdad   Deputy Prime Minister and Finance Minister Fouad Hussein on Sunday discussed with World Bank Group Ceo Marzar Hassan in Washington initiatives that support strengthening the role of the private sector as an effective economic partner in boosting the Iraqi economy.

"The latter met with World Bank Group Ceo Marzar Hassan in Washington to review the economic and financial situation in Iraq, as well as discuss the bank's activities, particularly the bank,"" said a statement issued by the office of Deputy Prime Minister and Finance Minister Fouad Hussein. "Initiatives that support strengthening the role of the private sector as an effective economic partner in revitalizing the Iraqi economy."

"The government has adopted a comprehensive policy of economic reform by laying the foundations for fighting red tape and corruption, introducing technology and using advanced global expertise in building economic sectors in various activities," the deputy prime minister said in a statement

IQD CALLS Chat and News Highlights Sunday Evening 10-20-19

Larrykn   Economy News _ Baghdad   Deputy Prime Minister and Finance Minister Fouad Hussein on Sunday discussed with World Bank Group Ceo Marzar Hassan in Washington initiatives that support strengthening the role of the private sector as an effective economic partner in boosting the Iraqi economy.

"The latter met with World Bank Group Ceo Marzar Hassan in Washington to review the economic and financial situation in Iraq, as well as discuss the bank's activities, particularly the bank,"" said a statement issued by the office of Deputy Prime Minister and Finance Minister Fouad Hussein. "Initiatives that support strengthening the role of the private sector as an effective economic partner in revitalizing the Iraqi economy."

"The government has adopted a comprehensive policy of economic reform by laying the foundations for fighting red tape and corruption, introducing technology and using advanced global expertise in building economic sectors in various activities," the deputy prime minister said in a statement. http://economy-news.net/content.php?id=18064

larrykn   Al-Rasheed Bank directs promotion of citizens' transactions for small business loans

Economy News _ Baghdad   On Sunday, Al-Rasheed Bank directed to promote citizens' transactions for small business loans.

"The director general of Al-Rasheed Bank, Rashad Khudhair Wahid, is holding continuous meetings to implement the reform package called by the government in the light of the directives of the supreme religious authority," the bank said in a statement.

The bank called on investors wishing to build all residential complexes to "review the branches to give them loans for construction".

He called on "the owners of the stalled industrial plants, farmers and traders of all kinds to submit their applications to give them all the banking facilities to develop and restart the factories in order to accommodate the largest number of unemployed."

"The directors of the departments and branches directed to receive citizens and promote their requests for small business loans for the unemployed, widows, divorcees, construction loans and all citizens, which amount to 50 million dinars, as well as loans for health professionals and the advances of employees and retirees," he said. And car loans."

"Work is under way to develop new services that will contribute to solving the crises suffered by citizens," he said. http://economy-news.net/content.php?id=18063

larrykn   Industry: Revenues estimated at 508 billion dinars through September

Money and business   Economy News _ Baghdad   The Ministry of Industry on Sunday announced revenues of 508 billion dinars as of September, revealing that there are more than 200 investment opportunities in its companies.

Industry Minister Saleh al-Jubouri said in a statement received by "Economy News" a copy of it, "The ministry achieved revenues estimated at 508 billion and 198 million dinars as of last September, and by a 40% increase over the previous year and reduced losses by 30 billion dinars, in addition to increasing the number of winning companies to 5 companies after It was one company last year."

"The ministry has given the boards of directors of companies full powers in selecting sober companies to conclude participation and investment contracts with them," al-Jubouri said, adding that "there are more than 200 investment opportunities with the ministry's companies and 36 contracts and projects were signed this year, compared to only one last year." . http://economy-news.net/content.php?id=18060

larrykn   Iran announces the imminent implementation of the railway link with Iraq

Money and business   Economy News _ Baghdad   "The israeli army has not yet taken any decision to stop the construction of a railway linking the Iraqi cities of Sholmja and Basra," an Iranian official said.

Saeed Rasouli, executive director of the Iranian Railway Company, said in a press statement that there is a project to connect the railway with Iraq and find two new stations at two border points, Shlmaja and Khoslawi.

He said the preparations for the Sholmja-Basra line had begun and the 32-kilometre (12-mile) line, which would include the construction of a bridge on its way, would soon begin.

He said the financial resources for the project would be provided in the form of funding "Finans", adding that funding for the project would be provided by the Foundation for the Vulnerable in accordance with the decision of the council of ministers of 4 trillion riyals.

"After the project is implemented, there will be the possibility of transporting visitors from Iran, To Iraq and vice versa directly by rail," he said. http://economy-news.net/content.php?id=18056

larrykn    Babylon movement: We have dangerous information that could topple [Barham Saleh] in the coming days   Liberation: 2019/10/20 17:32 • 206 times

Baghdad-In   The coming days will see changes in the political process in Iraq, the president of the republic may be removed from office, Bapollion leader Zafer Lewis said Sunday.

"In the coming days, the issue of replacing President Barham Saleh with the political forces will be raised because of the arrival of serious information that will be revealed soon," he said in a press statement.

"We ask Mr. Barham Saleh to analyze or consult with regard to the recent events concerning the demonstrators, and what is Mr. Saleh's analysis regarding the sniper criminals being the President of the Republic?", wrote The Secretary-General of the Babylon Movement, Ryan Chaldean, in a tweet today.

larrykn   Wasit governor makes decisions for employees to accommodate the unemployed in the province

Liberation: 2019/10/20 17:36 • 96 times

Wasit-In Wasit Governor Mohammed al-Mayahi decided Sunday to ban the work of government employees as taxi drivers, in addition to preventing the hiring of an employee who enjoys a leave of absence [five years] to allow citizens to get a job.

The governor of Wasit, according to a statement of his office today, directed all administrative units to prevent the work of the government employee "taxi driver" during or after official hours, and the directorate of traffic of the province to activate all laws and regulations and instructions that regulate the work of taxis and take the measures decreed Legally against violators.

As well as preventing the contracting of an employee who enjoys a leave of absence [five years], especially in oil companies and other government institutions, priority will be given to non-appointees and otherwise legal proceedings will be taken against the violator.

larrykn   Prime Minister Adel Abdul Mahdi receives Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs

Thursday 17 October 2019  The Prime Minister received Mr. Adel Abdul Mahdi, Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs, Mr. David Shankar.

During the meeting, they discussed relations between the two countries, the latest developments and developments in Syria and the region, and iraq's role in this area, where the two sides stressed the continuation of cooperation in the interest of the region and the world.

The Prime Minister stressed that the Iraqi government is continuing to meet the demands of the demonstrators and bring about reforms, and that the committee formed to investigate the sundays that accompanied the demonstrations is doing its work, explaining that some tried to derail the demonstrations and exploit the demonstrations and demonstrators who They came up with clear and legitimate demands.

larrykn   Lebanon to close all banks for demonstration

The Lebanese Association of Banks (ABL) announced that all banks will be closed on Monday throughout the country, the official NNA news agency reported.

ABL said in a statement on Sunday that banks will remain closed because of continued popular movements in several parts of the country.

"The decision comes out of concern for the security and safety of customers and employees, and to remove the effects of damage to some banking centers and branches,” ABL added.

The association expressed its hope that the general situation would soon be restored in the light of the various authorities' efforts to reassure and stabilize and resume normal life in the country.

Beirut and several areas have witnessed since last Thursday a popular movement, in the form of demonstrations unprecedented for years, to reject the government's approach to the adoption of new taxes on citizens, at a time when these citizens can no longer afford the cost of living, unemployment and poor public services.

The Lebanese are awaiting the expiration of the 72-hour deadline given by Prime Minister Saad Hariri to political forces to agree on a way out of the economic crisis.

 Lebanese protesters arrived in the morning at Riad Al Solh Square in Beirut amid security measures described as "normal," Lebanese media reported on Sunday. https://www.thebaghdadpost.com/en/Story/44389/Lebanon-to-close-all-banks-for-demonstration

Baxter   Larry.. so do you believe the Middle East is in a mess...?? LOL

larrykn   US Sending Troops Based in Syria to Iraq, Defense Chief Says https://www.thebaghdadpost.com/en/Story/44390/US-Sending-Troops-Based-in-Syria-to-Iraq-Defense-Chief-Says

larrykn   Baxter Just a little lol

Baxter   OH... but we are gonna RV the currency.....

larrykn   Baxter Maybe someday

larrykn   Sadr urges protesters to take back to streets on Friday https://www.thebaghdadpost.com/en/Story/44388/Sadr-urges-protesters-to-take-back-to-streets-on-Friday

Baxter   yep... thats better than soon

larrykn   The demonstrators might be the key to what we want to see. the pressure is on now.

Baxter   thought that was cancelled till Nov 22

larrykn   read that last article

Baxter   guess they changed their so called.. minds... again

larrykn   what Sadr says will come to be most of the time , so lets see what happens

Baxter   i can wait....

larrykn   well have a good day , cya all later

chattels   In Iraq, source close to Muqtada Sadr: Sadr will lead the 25 October protests through the demonstration coordination committee. His goal is not to overthrow the government or force PM Abdel-Mahdi to resign, but to bring about reform. http://mobp.as/KRqYp

chattels   The U.S. has slipped out of the top 20 countries perceived to have the least corruption, according to an annual report released Tuesday by the watchdog group Transparency International.

The Corruption Perceptions Index 2018 finds the U.S. in 22nd place, with a score of 71, right behind France and ahead of the United Arab Emirates. Countries are evaluated on a 100-point scale, based on the trust that experts and business leaders have in public institutions.

 A higher score means people believe the government is less corrupt. Denmark and New Zealand held the top-ranked spots on the list; Syria and Somalia were on the bottom.

Last year, the U.S. was ranked 16th. https://www.npr.org/2019/01/29/689639808/u-s-slips-in-annual-global-corruption-rankings

Deano@   Baxter did you read that article I brought in the other day?

Baxter   which one

Deano   truth about dinar

spankie   this one  https://dinaroutcast.forumotion.com/t6989-lop-busted-truth-about-dinar

Baxter   yes i did

spankie   good read man-

Baxter   yes it was.. thx

Deano   What's your thoughts about it

Baxter   i thought it was very possible

spankie   and also Francis Albert talkin oil credits to pay for this

Baxter   that is what ptr has said for years

Deano   I believe that

spankie   monitize whats in the ground

Baxter   very well could be

Deano   But we're all idiots to believe in something like that right

Baxter   its possible

Spankie   according to Kappy and sam i am

Baxter   they dont believe it for sure

Baxter   but its not that far fetched

spankie   their holding deenar just in case

Deano   I would certainly like to here Kr-peroni's negative thoughts on that article

Baxter   he is old school

Deano   I do believe that an rv overnight would not happen. But I can't even get a straight answer from him on what if they have been working on this for years to do overnight

spankie   ust gets dinar and uses at its discretion to trade for oil for 10 or 20 years

Baxter   thats what ptr says also

Baxter   its about our only hope

spankie   that article said if comes in too low value will stall

spankie   everyone will wait - nothing happens

spankie   comes in at a good starting point investors jump in and they star to sell iqd- value rises

Baxter   hope so

Dave   .if cbi has been compliant for 2yrs ish......wonder why they have yet to go global.....and slowly start raising the rate then?

Baxter   no article 8 yet...

Dave   just needed to sign up/

Baxter   i dont think they want to be... yet

Dean   oI'm a firm believer that they're are things that only a few certain individuals know. And a rate is one of them.

Dave   why not......00086 and slowly raise it....?

spankie   too long

Deano   Do I believe it'll come out at whatever rate and investors will cause it to go up, sure do.

spankie   one of the wealthiest countries in the world-

Baxter   I think the meeting was cancelled

spankie   too bad - like to hear the different views on this investment- have been hearing some real positive things in here lately-

sandyf   @Baxter looks like they are using a decimal point instead of a comma

@Baxter wonder why they do that

Number formats, like date formats, are optional. The US has it's way and other countries have theirs.

" the U.K. and U.S. use a comma to separate groups of thousands, many other countries use a period instead, and some countries separate thousands groups with a thin space.” https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19455-01/806-0169/overview-9/index.html

  

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Sergio: "I have a UN update"

.Special Post By Sergio - UN Update

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Sergio   Hello everyone. I have a UN update. I just got off the phone with the person who heads the communication with IRAQ. Call went like this. Hello a lady answered the phone, hello my name is seck and i have a question on Iraq Chapter 7 and their currency.

She then asked me what organization i was calling from? I said i was a private individual who is looking for some information. She said we do not answer questions to private person, she then paused and said hold on let me see if i can get the person to help you, i thanked her for the help she was giving me, she came back on the line as asked if i could hold on he was on a call with someone from Iraq. i said yes i will hold.

then with in mins a man came on and asked was i such in such a persons name who had emailed him on the 8 th i said i have emailed 4 times in the past month LOL told him my name he said wrong person lol anyway he ask what can i do for you.

I said i wanted to know if Iraq has t come out of chapter 7 before the can have a tradable Currency? He said NO!! i then told him i was told from a person in the UN before that they would have to come out of Chapter 7 he said the person gave me the wrong answer and he will email me with docs that pertain to iraq and what ever else he could give me, I said thank you for all you help he then gave me his email address, said goodbye .

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Sergio   Hello everyone. I have a UN update. I just got off the phone with the person who heads the communication with IRAQ. Call went like this. Hello a lady answered the phone, hello my name is seck and i have a question on Iraq Chapter 7 and their currency.

She then asked me what organization i was calling from? I said i was a private individual who is looking for some information. She said we do not answer questions to private person, she then paused and said hold on let me see if i can get the person to help you, i thanked her for the help she was giving me, she came back on the line as asked if i could hold on he was on a call with someone from Iraq. i said yes i will hold.

then with in mins a man came on and asked was i such in such a persons name who had emailed him on the 8 th i said i have emailed 4 times in the past month LOL told him my name he said wrong person lol anyway he ask what can i do for you.

I said i wanted to know if Iraq has t come out of chapter 7 before the can have a tradable Currency? He said NO!! i then told him i was told from a person in the UN before that they would have to come out of Chapter 7 he said the person gave me the wrong answer and he will email me with docs that pertain to iraq and what ever else he could give me, I said thank you for all you help he then gave me his email address, said goodbye .

The only reason i did a play by play is because i always do as per any contact i have with the Banks WTO IMF and UN . will will post his email docs as soon as he sends them to me.

Sergio   Dear Sergio, Good to speak with you briefly yesterday over the phone. Concerning your query regarding Iraqi dinars, I wanted to direct your attention to paragraphs 1 and 3 (below) of SC resolution 1956 (2010), attached for ease of reference.

Can you provide me with further information as to the background of your query?

Best Regards, David

1. Decides to terminate, on 30 June 2011, the arrangements established in paragraph 20 of resolution 1483 (2003) for depositing into the Development Fund for Iraq proceeds from export sales of petroleum, petroleum products and natural gas and the arrangements referred to in paragraph 12 of resolution 1483 (2003) and paragraph 24 of resolution 1546 (2004) for the monitoring of the Development Fund for Iraq by the International Advisory and Monitoring Board and further decides that, subject to the exception provided for in paragraph 27 of resolution 1546 (2004), the provisions of paragraph 22 of resolution 1483 (2003) shall continue to apply until that date, including with respect to funds and financial assets and economic resources described in paragraph 23 of that resolution;

3. Decides that after 30 June 2011, the requirement established in paragraph 20 of UNSCR 1483 (2003) that all proceeds from export sales of petroleum, petroleum products and natural gas from Iraq be deposited into the Development

Fund for Iraq shall no longer apply, and affirms that the requirement established in paragraph 21 of UNSCR 1483 (2003) that 5 percent of the proceeds from all export sales of petroleum, petroleum products and natural gas shall be deposited into the compensation fund established in accordance with resolution 687 (1991), and subsequent resolutions, shall continue to apply,

and further decides that 5 percent of the value of any non-monetary payments of petroleum, petroleum products and natural gas made to service providers shall be deposited into the compensation fund,and that unless the Government of Iraq and the governing country

Sergio   My Conversation with the WTO :  Hello all, Sorry i was not able to record my conversation with the WTO the person said they would not be able to do that.  I was able to ask some questions on Iraq .

1 Question: Does the WTO have anything to do with the exchange rate of Iraq?

Answer: No the WTO facilitates the trade of goods and services between countries.

2 Question: What is the hold up of Iraq becoming a full member of the WTO?

Answer: hold on let me check on what Iraq stats. ( put on hold ) back The stats on Iraq is that they still have not provided a service and goods assessment.

3 Question : Do you know anything that if Iraq becomes a full member of the WTO that Iraq's exchange rate would go up.

Answer: I can not say with any type of authority or knowledge that that will happen, our main position as i said before is to facilitate Trade. I then said thank you for you time and it was most helpful.  

  Baxter   thx Sergio   interesting

Sergio   Current Economic Conditions

Along with all those critical situations in the country the economic condition of Iraq is improving with the every passing day. Some massive investments have been seen for the last 6 years in the country.

The Iraq is now free from international sanctions imposed by United Nation. After free from chapter 7 sanctions 7, Iraq has authority to do any kind of business with the any other country.

Oil is the backbone of Iraq economy. Now the country is free to sign any contract with the any other country to search or export their crude oil anywhere in the world. Large number of oil exploring companies is operating in the country in the different areas to find the new oil fields.

Sergio   Special Authorities to Governor to Sign any Contract

There was a time when making investment in Iraq was more than a tough job. You had to fulfill too many requirements and legal formalities to open a new business in the country.

But now the situation is completely different. The government of Iraq has given special authorities to the governor of the province to sign any oil and other business contracts without prior permission of the government.

All of these soft conditions are to ensure the foreign investment in the country. These special authorities have attracted many of the international investors to the country to make heavy investments in different sectors of the country.

The cottage industry of Iraq is also improving with the heavy investments in the domestic industry of Iraq. This is one of the biggest point and addition in the latest Iraq news that cottage industry of the country is also improving very fast.

Sergio   Revaluation of Iraqi Dinar

People have made heavy investments in the Iraqi dinar with the expectations that it will be revalued in the near future and they will be billionaire. The investors in Iraqi dinar include not only common people but the retired army officers of Iraq war.

They believe that Iraqi dinar will be revalued in the next few years and they will earn more than anyone else in the world. The best example of Iraqi dinar revaluation is the Kuwaiti Dinar revaluation that occurred in 1990 and people who invested in the Kuwaiti dinar became billionaire over night.

Many of the international banks are also interested in Iraqi dinar purchase and they are the big investors of Iraqi dinar as well. The Noor Al Maliki administration was major hurdle in the revaluation of Iraqi dinar because of dispute with Kurdistan.

Kurdistan has major role in the revaluation of Iraqi dinar and its resolution to pass. The supreme leader of Iraq has taken action against Noor Al Maliki and the government was dissolved. Now new administration is now in the power and they are taking initial steps to complete revaluation process.

This can be very big and latest Iraq news. People are waiting for the completion of this procedure for revaluation of Iraqi dinar in next few months. The dinar gurus believe that revaluation of Iraqi dinar will surely occur at the end of 2016. We must have to wait if we have some dinar to be billionaire in the next few months.

Sergio   http://www.financialprospect.com/world/revaluation-of-iraqi-dinar-is-the-center-of-latest-iraq-news-23548.html

Sergio   These are just a few of the docs that i have

Baxter   Sergio i wonder when that revaluation of the iraqi dinar was written

Baxter   the Kuwaiti DInar... IMO... never revalued... I have never seen anything about it... it was reinstated to what it was before the war..

Sergio   That was in Feb 2016

Baxter   ok.. thx

Wilder   Sergio that link took me to domainmarket.com

Sergio   Wilder A lot Of the Links over the years have been changed from rhose days

Wilder   K. Thanks

Sergio   IMF Managing Director Approves a Staff-Monitored Program for Iraq

Press Release No. 16/04   January 12, 2016  

The Managing Director of the International Monetary Fund (IMF) approved a Staff-Monitored Program (SMP) 1for Iraq covering the period of November 2015-December, 2016, on which the authorities and staff had reached ad-referendum agreement in November 2015 (see Press Release No. 15/509).

Iraq is facing a double shock arising from ISIS attacks and the sharp drop in global oil prices. The conflict is hurting the non-oil economy through destruction of infrastructure and assets, disruptions in trade, and deterioration of investor confidence.

The impact of the oil price decline—already felt in 2014—intensified in 2015, affecting the budget, the external sector, and medium-term growth potential. The authorities are responding to the crisis with a mix of fiscal adjustment and financing.

To help address the present and urgent balance of payments and budget needs triggered by the ISIS attacks and the collapse in oil prices, the authorities have also requested an SMP to establish a track record of policy credibility to pave the way to a possible Fund financing arrangement.

Under the SMP, the authorities will implement fiscal consolidation that will contain public expenditure in line with available revenue and financing, and aim to reduce the non-oil primary deficit by US$20 billion or 12 percent of non-oil GDP between 2013 and 2016.

Under the SMP, agreement has also been reached on measures to strengthen public financial management, anti-money laundering and countering the financing of terrorism (AML/CFT), and financial sector stability.

The IMF has assisted Iraq in strengthening economic institutions and in providing advice to the government on economic policies and reforms for more than a decade. IMF staff will work closely with the authorities to monitor progress in the implementation of their economic program. In addition, the IMF will continue to provide technical as

Sergio   The Email from David Briggs is the most Important. I had said to Sam I am i would bring some info over here for them to look at.

Baxter   he was here earlier   maybe he will be back  im sure he will see it

Sergio   World Bank calls on the Iraqi Government to change the policy of the Central Bank

14-05-2014   The World Bank warned the Iraqi Government against the monetary policy currently pursued by the Central Bank of Iraq.

The World Bank demanded in a letter addressed to the Government of Iraq to put pressure on the management of the Central Bank of Iraq to change its policy and without a deal, the Central Bank's current policy would lead to the collapse of Iraq's economy, where the Bank has no internal or external policy challenges.

http://www.microsofttranslator.com/bv.aspx?from=&to=en&a=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.albayyna-new.com%2Fnews.php%3Faction%3Dview%26id%3D30607

Sergio   from just a few weeks ago for cross reference....

Baghdad (IraqiNews.com) MP, Baha al-Araji, of al-Ahrar bloc stated that the World Bank warned the Iraqi government from interfering in the performance of the Central Bank of Iraq.

3/25/2014

He stated in a press statement received by IraqiNews.com “We were warned from the collapse of the economic and financial fields in Iraq due to the interference in the performance of the CBI.”

“The World Bank held a meeting in Amman in presence of the representatives of Iraq and warned the Iraqi government from the interference in the performance of the CBI other wise, Iraq will be listed within the black list and this reminds us of the sanctions imposed on the former regime,” he concluded.

http://www.ninanews.com/English/News_Details.asp?ar95_VQ=HDHFEF

LINK

Sergio   This is the last one ill post for the night, But its a Good one

Sergio   Background

Employment History:  Member, Ministry of Finance Iraqi Currency Exchange Team

CPA Member, Ministry of Finance Iraqi Currency Exchange Team

The Coalition Provisional Authority

Board Memberships and Affiliations

Director Iraqi Currency Exchange

Hugh Tant III:   It is terrific to be with you. I would like to thank you for the opportunity to address your questions this evening. I am talking to you from the ICE (Iraqi Currency Exchange) project room in one of Saddam's palaces. We like to call it the ICE box.

Around the walls are various colorful pictures of the old currency (featuring Saddam) and the new currency (without Saddam). In addition to the currency posters around the room, there are various maps and charts that help us map the delivery of the Iraqi currency throughout the country.

JoJo, from Farmington, New Mexico writes:   How Much is the New Currency Worth in American Dollars?

Hugh Tant III:   The new Iraqi currency's rate is currently stands at 1,955 Dinar to one US dollar. A 10,000 Dinar note is worth approximately $5 US. To give you an idea of what 10,000 Dinar can buy, here are a few examples.

Iraqis can buy a pair of child's shoes for 10,000 Dinar, 2 pounds of bananas for $.75 (1500 Dinar), a can of Coca Cola from the market costs $.25 (500 Dinar) and the Iraqi equivalent of a sandwich lunch (pita bread with meat and salad) for about $0.63 (1250 Dinar).

James, from Montana writes:   How well is the new Iraqi Currency being received by the Iraqi citizens and the surrounding countries?

Hugh Tant III:   The Iraqi exchange is confined to Iraq and the currency is being well received by the citizens. The exchange program runs from October 15 of this year to January 15 of 2004.

We have completed almost 5 weeks and 67% of the expected amount to be converted has already been accomplished. I have spoken with numerous Iraqi citizens and each one has said they are very happy to finally have one currency that is secure and stable for the entire country.

Sergio   Caleb, from Vancouver, WA writes:   How long did it take to decide on what the new Iraqi currency will look like, and who decided what it will look like.

Hugh Tant III:   The Central Bank of Iraq decided on what the new currency would look like. They decided that it would resemble the old "Swiss" Dinar that the entire country used prior to Saddam printing notes with his picture on them, in the early 1990s, after the first Gulf War.

These new notes have many historical and cultural characters and places that are unique and important to the people of Iraq.

Sergio   Hugh Tant III:   Thanks for your question. The conversion period is from October 15 of this year to January 15 of 2004. During this period, Iraq will work in the two old currencies that exist and the new currency.

The old currencies are the "Swiss" Dinar primarily used in the Kurdish north and the other, the "Print" or "Saddam" Dinar, used in the central and southern parts of Iraq.

However, after January 15, only the new Dinar will have value and be used by the Iraqi people.

Andrew, from Roseville, California writes:   Who designed the new Iraqi currency and why was it designed that way? Where is it printed? In the USA or in Iraq? Thanks

Hugh Tant III:   The Central Bank of Iraq decided on what the new currency would look like. De La Rue based in England was the company chosen to print the new Dinar.

This company printed the Dinar used by Iraq prior to the Saddam Dinar and actually still had some of the old printing plates which were updated for the new money.

De La Rue used 5 factories around the world to print the new Dinar - in England, Sri Lanka, Kenya, Malta and Germany. The Spanish Government generously donated resources too - printing the 250 Dinar denomination notes at its print works in Spain.

Ruth, from Oceanview,N.J. writes:  Dear General Tant, How was the Dinar chosen as the Iraqi currency and how was the design on the front and back of the bill decided? And, has the President seen the new bill? Thank you.

Hugh Tant III:   The front and back of the notes were decided upon by the Central Bank of Iraq. The designs represent cultural and historically unique people and places from both history and current life.

The deputy Governor of the Central Bank, Ahmed Al Jaburi, told me he thought the mix of illustrations showed the harmony of the ancient and the modern in Iraq.

US Secretary of Commerce Don Evans, a member of the President's Cabinet, helped kick off the currency exchange program here in Baghdad on October 15.

At that time, he was presented some of the n

Sergio  Ill bring the rest over Tomorrow

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IQD CALLS Chat Early Sunday 10-19-19

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Francis Albert   Some believe that Iraq is Sovereign and the GOI and CBI can do what they wish. This is just a short paragraph from Sadr's Friday address to the mosques.

Francis Albert   “All of them want to make some temptations to silence you, such as appointments, salaries and the like. All of them have prepared themselves for the worst-case scenarios, and all have come together to find solutions. “They all know that they have surrendered to those outside the border and that they will not be able to make any decision without their consent,” he said.

Sparky   Francis Albert ... apparently Sadr does not like intruders in his country...

Dave   ....and he dont care mucH for M

Dj   Um, just heard iraq announced international the a rate of bout 8.

Sparky   Matt ... interesting observation...

IQD CALLS Chat Early Sunday 10-19-19

Francis Albert   Some believe that Iraq is Sovereign and the GOI and CBI can do what they wish. This is just a short paragraph from Sadr's Friday address to the mosques.

Francis Albert   “All of them want to make some temptations to silence you, such as appointments, salaries and the like. All of them have prepared themselves for the worst-case scenarios, and all have come together to find solutions. “They all know that they have surrendered to those outside the border and that they will not be able to make any decision without their consent,” he said.

Sparky   Francis Albert ... apparently Sadr does not like intruders in his country...

Dave   ....and he dont care mucH for M

Dj   Um, just heard iraq announced international the a rate of bout 8.

Sparky   Matt ... interesting observation...

Sparky   Dj ...say WHAT ?  ... I heard $22.50...

Dj   I don't hear that high.. and I have no proof yet, just what I've heard..

Dj   So much for kaps lop and float

Dj   Contract might be that high???

Sparky   Dj ... doubtfully.....we can only hope...

Dj   I will keep digging

Zig   Dj : Heard from whom?

Baxter   well..not me.... Im stuck on a Dime

Matt   Baxter Ok so I will take anything over a dime on your exchange.

Matt   since your "STUCK" on a Dime

Baxter   well... I dont know about that

Baxter   but I would settle now for a dime

Dj   It was after private banks were closed. Hoping up tomorrow. I have friends with contacts and accounts in iraq.. all in my opinion. When I come up with something more solid I will post

Baxter   I appreciate it Matt... you can.... buy my Dinar for a dime each... LOL

Baxter   Dj... thx.. you do that

Matt   Baxter well... I dont know about that

Baxter   I will throw in 2 million for free.....as a special

Baxter   of course... thats after Dj comes in here tomorrow... with no RV... LOL

Dj   I'll try not to disappoint Baxter

Baxter   thx    I so hope you are correct Dj

Wilder   Baxter someone shaking the dinar?

chattels   I read where we have a drive by from an unknown touting contacts in Iraq with a impending rate change to $ 8.

chattels   Iraq cleric Sadr urges supporters to continue anti-government protests https://www.rudaw.net/english/middleeast/iraq/20102019

chattels   " The start of the religious observance of Arbaeen, when millions of Shiite Muslims from around the world march to the holy city of Karbala, also led to the protests being put on hold. The protests are widely expected to resume after the pilgrimage ends on October 20."

chattels   " The protests, which began on October 1, died down after about a week. Abdul-Mahdi urged the demonstrators to give his government time to implement reforms and bring corrupt officials to justice. Critics say he has moved too slowly."

chattels   Netherlands extends Iraq, Peshmerga training mission through 2021 https://www.rudaw.net/english/kurdistan/191020194

chattels   2021. Why not ?

Chattels   The only thing more amazing than the ability of people to extend the false narrative of " RV today and if not today then tomorrow for sure " are the people that are willing to assign credibility to such year after year.

chattels   Baghdad / Nina / Foreign currency markets in Baghdad, on Sunday, a decline in the exchange rate of the US dollar against the dinar.

The market price on Al-Kifah exchange reached 1202.5 dinars per dollar, or 120 thousand and 250 dinars for one hundred dollars.

https://ninanews.com/Website/News/Details?key=793343

chattels   Sunday 20 October

chattels   Iraqi youth participating in Arba’iin procession wear says saying revolution on 25 October.   http://api.yesiraq.com/get_link.php?id=1419804  …

chattels   In Iraq, Mugtada Sadr issues statement about upcoming 25 October protests & says all politicians & government officials live in fear of this day. LINK

chattels   Iraqi Ministerial Committee investigating protests says tomorrow results will be released.   http://nabdapp.com/t/65526679

chattels   Courtesy of DavidWitty https://twitter.com/DavidMWitty1/status/1185662635100037120

chattels   And that's the way that it is from the news that I read out of Iraq on this Sunday, October, 20, 2019.

chattels   But do not despair, exchNGE CENTERS ARE STAFFING ON mONDAY. Be still my heart.

20 Oct 19, 06:51 AM chattels   Have a fine day all.

Baxter   Kalkamsh Press / Baghdad   The exchange rate of the dollar, on the Stock Exchange and local markets, on Thursday, a notable rise.  And the prices of the Stock Exchange struggle – Baghdad 120.500 dinars for $ 100.   Selling and buying prices in banking shops: 

Selling price of the dollar = 121.000 dinars.

The purchase price of the dollar = 120.000 dinars.   glgamesh.com

Baxter   looks like they are using a decimal point instead of a comma

Baxter   wonder why they do that

Zig   Baxter : They have been writing it like that a long time.....chattels makes that type post a lot.....

Baxteroh   ..ok...

Baxter   High dollar exchange rates in Iraq 10-17-2019 | IRAQI DINAR. I wonder why they posting this in there newspaper. TNT Tony #wearethepeople https://iraqidinarchat.net/?p=59929

spankie   high dollar exchange rate / up 1/10th of penny - whoo hoo

spankie   party time- quitting my retirement- lol

Baxter   spankie ... Yeppers.. a tenth of a penny... LOL... but see.. the way Tony and Rayren put it... its 120 to the dollar... because the decimal point is not a comma... so that gets their peeps all excited.. Heres Rayrens latest:10-20-2019 Intel Guru RayRen98 EXCHANGE LOCATION CENTERS DON'T EXPECT TO BE STAFFED UNTIL MONDAY...SO RELAX OR PARTY HEARTY, IT'S YOUR CHOICE. HINT: BE PREPARED TO NEGOTIATE "ANY" RATE THAT IS ON THE SCREEN AT EXCHANGE TIME

spankie   a newbie in chat last night said rates were $8-

Baxter   yes.. I read that....

Spankie   when first into dinar got excited over #

Baxter   everyone did... me too

spankie   $3 - WOW $8 dollars

Spankie   .86 sounds feasable- but sam I aint says no way- oil credits

spankie   tonight dinar smackdown with sam i am and ?

spankie   Zig who is coming in tonight- sergio and sam i am - right-- around 9 pm

Zig   spankie : Don't know exactly the time but Sergio told Sam he would be back tonight with some information, etc....

Spankie   interesting chat the other night

Zig   spankie : Were you ever a member at PTR?......Sergio was "Seck" there......

Zig   Sergio has a Forum that has been inactive a long time....I was an Admin. there.....many people from PTR came there when PTR started charging monthly dues.....if you look at the scroll at the top of the page you will see a link to this chat room there https://iqdnews.forumotion.com/

Zig   That is where I first met "SandyF"......he used to post there a lot.....

ZigDan and    SteveI were partners at PD.....Peoples Dinar.....many may recall.....Dan and Steve parted ways and Dan started PTR.....Tony and Dan did calls together.....then Dan and Tony parted and Tony started TNT......

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IQD CALLS Chat Early Saturday 10-19-19

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 Larrykn   I think it will happen or I wouldn't be here. the ? is when and what year .

chattels   larrykn Positive illusions are powerful mindsets.

chattels   larrykn My developing attitude, which explains my absence in part, is that if is going to happen, if it happens whether, I am in here or not. :)

larrykn   I was hoping that the protest over there would turn in our favor but no one would know what Iraq will do. they surprise us all the time

larrykn   I don't look like this is the fix all solution but live life daily and see what God will bring to us.

chattels   larrykn We have learned that nothing is certain in Iraq, eh ?

larrykn   very true

chattels   larrykn It is said that if money will solve all of one's problems then one has no problems.

larrykn   God as always provided for us. we might not get all our wants but we do get our needs :)

larrykn   Al-Hakim calls for media freedom, protecting activists

Wisdom Movement leader Ammar al-Hakim called on the government and parliament to preserve media freedom and protect activists and bloggers from assassination, pressure, and prosecution.

Hakim said through his official account on Twitter: "the media and freedom of expression is the tool of any democratic system receives the other opinion with the same spaciousness that receives opinion."

He went on saying: "by these wings -media and freedom of expression,- democracy flies in the space of freedom to find those who discover its negative performance and evaluate its positives."

IQD CALLS Chat Early Saturday 10-19-19

 Larrykn   I think it will happen or I wouldn't be here. the ? is when and what year .

chattels   larrykn Positive illusions are powerful mindsets.

chattels   larrykn My developing attitude, which explains my absence in part, is that if is going to happen, if it happens whether, I am in here or not. :)

larrykn   I was hoping that the protest over there would turn in our favor but no one would know what Iraq will do. they surprise us all the time

larrykn   I don't look like this is the fix all solution but live life daily and see what God will bring to us.

chattels   larrykn We have learned that nothing is certain in Iraq, eh ?

larrykn   very true

chattels   larrykn It is said that if money will solve all of one's problems then one has no problems.

larrykn   God as always provided for us. we might not get all our wants but we do get our needs :)

larrykn   Al-Hakim calls for media freedom, protecting activists

Wisdom Movement leader Ammar al-Hakim called on the government and parliament to preserve media freedom and protect activists and bloggers from assassination, pressure, and prosecution.

Hakim said through his official account on Twitter: "the media and freedom of expression is the tool of any democratic system receives the other opinion with the same spaciousness that receives opinion."

He went on saying: "by these wings -media and freedom of expression,- democracy flies in the space of freedom to find those who discover its negative performance and evaluate its positives." https://www.thebaghdadpost.com/en/Story/44359/Al-Hakim-calls-for-media-freedom-protecting-activists

larrykn   Baghdad says will take back Iraqi ISIS militants only form Syria: FM

Iraq’s Foreign Minister has said his country will only take back the Iraqi militants of the Iraqi nationals affiliated to ISIS from Syria.

Following a meeting with his French counterpart Jean-Yves Le Drian who is on a visit to Baghdad to discuss the concerns over the thousands of IS detainees in Syrian Kurdistan where Turkey is leading a massive military offensive now, Mohamed Ali al-Hakim said home countries of other ISIS militants, held in Syria, should take similar measures and repatriate the militants.

 Meanwhile, Le Drian said he had discussed with Iraqi leaders "the way to implement an appropriate judicial mechanism" to try French and other fighters "in the best conditions".

The Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) had indicated threat of ISIS prison break while they are fending off Turkish offensives. https://www.thebaghdadpost.com/en/Story/44352/Baghdad-says-will-take-back-Iraqi-ISIS-militants-only-form-Syria-FM

chattels   Time to do something else. Have a fine day all.

Wheresmyrv?   Good Morning everyone hoping for some good news with this crazy investment, seems like nothing but bad as of late coming out of that corrupt sandpit as of late

Sparky   ... just warming up to start my Saturday afternoon rant...testing, testing 1,2,3...is this thing on...?

Sparky   ...any truth to the rumor Oakies plane about to land ?

Sparky   ... probably not, as our fearless leader just hung Kurdistan out to dry... probably not good for security and stability in Iraq...but, at least he can host world leaders on his golf club resort's... that's a good thing, right ?

Sparky   ... Barzani must have pissed him off...

Sparky   Dave ...any good news of late ?

Dave   anti corruption....yadda yadda

Dave   hoping this an ultimatum for Iraq

Dave   get er done ...or else

Dave   not so nuch sectarian bs now.....

Dave   peeps against corruption.....i like it

Dave   aboot time

Sparky   Dave ...Sadr and Sistani not saying much...?

Dave   Sparky plenty.....check the news

Sparky   Dave ...oh,ok...good if so... haven't been reading much lately...

Dave   Sadr chimed in i read today......

Dave   chattels posted

Dave   Demonstrators expecting to see something by next month......

Sparky   Dave ...me too...lol...

Sparky   Dave ... glad to hear Sadr back in news...

Dave   no longer political as far as the peeps are concerned

Dave   Where Did you get that.....and repay ...or else!....I have read a few times in the last week

Sparky   Dave ...young Iraqis waking up ?

Dave   Maliki owned the Media

Dave   average age 24....now have social media

Dave   not so much waking up , but rather more informed

Dave   doubt facebook or you tube was allowed there afew yrs ago

Dave   Zig Go Find Beny.....

Sparky   Zig ...ratings in Fargo off the chart...

Francis Albert   Hi gents, a bit of Dinar insert into your Sports Saturday. This may be nothing, but it appears Minister of Finace has met with 3 of the 4 parties many believe are on the top of the food chain for currency reform in Iraq. World Bank, IMF and U.S. Treasury. Could just be a fast ball in the dirt to swing at so be careful.

TWWIII   Francis Albert Do u have a link? Would lov to read it, Thank You

Francis Albert   They say a watched pot never boils and I will admit I did spend my time years and years ago watching the pot.

Francis Albert   Oh, not one specific article TW..just from articles posted on Frank's site. They do some pretty good research over there.

TWWIII.    Francis Albert Thanx, I did read Franks Forum yesterday

Francis Albert   They bring out lots and lots of articles

Dave   Francis Albert Thought Iraq was IMF compliant ......just needs to sign up?

Francis Albert   I don't know about that Dave...I think it is evident all the Dollar Inc boys, IMF, World Bank, U.N. UST want a strong a viable Iraq to be a safe home to all the U.S. bases. One of the motives for invasion.

Francis Albert   I know they have stayed within the 2% variance for enough time per IMF

Dave   Francis Albert Dont know nuttin about that

Francis Albert   KAP has kept up with this aspect with IMF

Dave   Francis Albert CBI just needs to go article 8 I thought...kap would agree with that

Young_SC   Dave how do you know if they are not Article 8 already?

Francis Albert   That's what is being said, I am not a Dinar geek enough to know that. I am always cautious of they have to do this, that etc. I think this is the ploy of guru types to just keep people hanging on. What my understanding of politics and Central banking over many years. Any thing can happen overnight with just a few signatures from folks with the same motives.

Francis Albert   Very possible that President Trump is the man in all this. If so, He' smart enough to release it when it is just the right time for his needs.

Young_SC   Dave IRAQ/CBI can do whatever they want. They dont need to announce anything to us

Francis Albert   Young Not so sure about that. I think you will find from the invasion to now, the big banks J.P Morgan/NY Mellon control the Central bank of Iraq. That's the first thing countries do when they take over a country. Get the Central Bank thinking "right".

Young_SC   Francis Albert No north American bank is in control of no CBI where you hearing that nonsense from

Francis Albert   See Libya and Iran in the 1950's

Young_SC   CBI is its own entity

Francis Albert   I am not hearing it. I know it. J.P. Morgan started the Iraqi Oil Trust on invasion and all the oil funds went through them. You must understand what went on here.

This was an invasion for no reason than regime change, control the country. Empire Building. So, to think the bankers who call the shots in all wars don't have their ducks in a row is just, well naive.

Zig   Young_SC : No....CBI is controlled by Chinese Elders.....

Young_SC   Francis Albert pull up proof stating American bank is in charge of the CBI

Young_SC   Same old lines used

Young_SC   I know this i know that

Francis Albert   I am not going to do your work for (you) me. You don't have to believe me, I am just talking. If you are interested find out for yourself.

Young_SC   Francis Albert no im not finding out anything myself, post the info when you state something

Francis Albert   Young....did you know Germany is still paying war reparations to U.S. since WWII and U.S. has not been forthcoming with giving them their gold back.

Young_SC   That is your job when you bring up such information

Francis Albert   There are many "funds" being handled by the banks from Iraq resources. The spoils of war. Here's just one of them from Wikipedia

Francis Albert   In May 2003, following the invasion of Iraq in March of that year, the Central Bank of Iraq-Development Fund for Iraq (DFI) account was created at the U.S. Federal Reserve Bank of New York at the request of the Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA) Administrator.

A part of the fund has been transferred to Baghdad and Iraq, and the DFI-Baghdad account was opened at the Central Bank of Iraq "for cash payment requirements". [1]

The fund also eventually received money (US$1.724 billion) from seized and "vested" Iraqi bank accounts and funds seized by coalition forces ($926.7 million). ($650 million) of this amount belongs to Uday Saddam Hussein, the older son of the former Iraqi president.[2]

(This money was also used during the transition period before the DFI was set up.) The DFI have been disbursed mainly for "the wheat purchase program, the currency exchange program, the electricity and oil infrastructure programs, equipment for Iraqis security forces, and for Iraqi civil service salaries and ministry budget operations".[3]

The DFI was put under the control of the Coalition Provisional Authority and the administrative arm of the US-UK occupation forces. International Advisory and Monitoring Board (IAMB) was created in United Nations Security Council Resolution 1483 (2003).

IAMB is an independent oversight body for DFI and its principal role is to ensure transparency and financial accountability of the DFI. The IAMB was operated from the establishment of the DFI on May 22, 2003 until the dissolution of the CPA on June 28, 2004.[4]

In October 2004, the audits conducted by IAMB and KPMG revealed the CPA’s inadequate accounting system. IAMB failed its oversight process for several months because of procedural disputes and US manipulation.

During this time illegal export of petroleum was conducted secretly from Iraq, and a large amount of funds for DFI were disbursed without accountability. According to the audits conducted by the Special Inspector General for Iraq Reco

Francis Albert   And, this is just one of the funds U.S. had started in Iraq. And just to add some fun to the picture. Legislators in U.S "borrow" money from these funds for this and that. And they replace the money with I.O.U.'s non marketable securities.

So, one can look at the books of say, Social Security Trust Fund and they will show about 3 Trillion in there. Well, it's not in there. All that is in there is non marketable securities, I.O.U.s Legislators essentially stole all the money.

It started with LBJ and a little ditty called The Unified Budget. Bill Clintons' famous white board with 0 deficits was a lie, he was counting SS money coming in every month.

Francis Albert   from about 400 BC

Francis Albert    “In war, truth is the first casualty.”  ― Aeschylus

Sparky   Francis Albert IAMB was the overseer of those funds, for transparency...proof it's gone...DFI funds are already "spent "... correct ?

Sparky   *pooof

Sparky   Francis Albert ...DFI funds straight into Malikis pocket...start up capital for the Maliki machine...imo

Dave   Young_SC    19 Oct 19, 04:40 PMYoung_SCDave how do you know if they are not Article 8 already?

Baxter   good ol Maliki....

Dave   have yet to see exchanged yet

Baxter   I have read though that if you are article 8... you must have an international currency... so where is it

Francis Albert   Sparky...not sure. The scenario for this "Trust Funds" is pretty much the same. They "borrow" the money U.S.T. replace with non marketable securities and then tracking the money from there is difficult. May be true about Maliki, he may have very well been paid by The Boys in control. They will do whatever they can get away with to do their vision.

Dave   could have gone Global 2 yrs ago if CBI wanted......

Francis Albert   This is true for all kinds of Trusts...Highway Trust Fund etc. and the beautiful thing for The Boys is that on the books it shows up as "money in the bank" but it is generally I.O.U.

Baxter   they must not be ready

Francis Albert   I had a mentor, currency historian Andrew Gause, who studied this stuff forever and was his student for 25 years and doing radio shows. Etc. He has a great book, easy read, "Uncle Same Cooks The Books" and his first one, "The Secret World of Money." Both well worth the time

Baxter   I may read them.. thx

Sparky   Francis Albert ... Hegelian dialectic...

Francis Albert   It truly helps to have a big macro view of money, and it is easier to make better investment decisions. Decisions that many of will have the pleasure of making more of soon.

Francis Albert   Spark...Hegelian indeed. they know this one backwards. Interesting most Souls just don't catch on.

Sparky   Francis Albert ...scam propaganda...to mitigate kings crumbs watcher's...

Sparky   *?...WMD ?...no. Resource rich country ?...Yes...Stategic area for military operations ?...yes.

Oh, ok... currency value ?... TBD...Ringleader of "The Boys "...king dollar...imo......if not ringleader... strong position on the chess board......set up shop, then determine currency valuation as we progress...

Francis Albert   Some believe that Iraq is Sovereign and the GOI and CBI can do what they wish. This is just a short paragraph from Sadr's Friday address to the mosques.

Francis Albert   “All of them want to make some temptations to silence you, such as appointments, salaries and the like. All of them have prepared themselves for the worst-case scenarios, and all have come together to find solutions. “They all know that they have surrendered to those outside the border and that they will not be able to make any decision without their consent,” he said.

Sparky   Francis Albert ... apparently Sadr does not like intruders in his country...

Dave   ....and he dont care mucH for M

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 Dave   Demonstrations of October 25 postponed to another date .. Protesters submit 5 conditions “impossible” knownThe coordination statement, received by Yass Iraq, said that ‘to the people of our great Iraqi people, to the free of our spare youth who refused to continue injustice and corruption under a chaotic system led by whales of corruption and gangs of looting and conspiracy, history has shown that the masses are stronger than the tyrants and that the people

The statement added: ‘You started with your previous demonstrations, which started on 1/10/2019 and was a volcano of anger against the corrupt and greedy wealth of the country, and thus we are able to remove this system roosting in the chest of Iraq for a decade and a half.’

“But we decided the following: 1. Giving them a ‘thirty-day’ opportunity to make a constitutional amendment that includes the following: a. Merging the Prime Minister with Majoriya; b) electing the President directly by the people; c. Limiting the session of the Council of Representatives to two sessions only retroactively; The power to choose conservatives to the President of the Republic, e – the trial of corrupt through the media and retrieve what they stole from the wealth of the people ‘.

Dave   In a second point of the statement, the coordination, said that ‘in the absence of response to the demands above, the date of major demonstrations on 22/11/2019 corresponding to Friday’.

It wishes to clarify the platform “Yes Iraq” that this statement is anonymous and was issued in the name of the youth coordination and did not include the name of the president or members of this coordination and the platform has not yet been able to access the source of this statement, which I received from an anonymous email and tried to follow up the issuance of this statement and did not find.

The platform noted the issuance of statements by anonymous since October 1, without the name, signature or knowledge of the body behind these organizations, which raises doubts of the attempt by some to send and circulate these written data and exploit the speed of social means to spread.

IQD CALLS Chat Friday Night 10-18-19

 Dave   Demonstrations of October 25 postponed to another date .. Protesters submit 5 conditions “impossible” knownThe coordination statement, received by Yass Iraq, said that ‘to the people of our great Iraqi people, to the free of our spare youth who refused to continue injustice and corruption under a chaotic system led by whales of corruption and gangs of looting and conspiracy, history has shown that the masses are stronger than the tyrants and that the people

The statement added: ‘You started with your previous demonstrations, which started on 1/10/2019 and was a volcano of anger against the corrupt and greedy wealth of the country, and thus we are able to remove this system roosting in the chest of Iraq for a decade and a half.’

“But we decided the following: 1. Giving them a ‘thirty-day’ opportunity to make a constitutional amendment that includes the following: a. Merging the Prime Minister with Majoriya; b) electing the President directly by the people; c. Limiting the session of the Council of Representatives to two sessions only retroactively; The power to choose conservatives to the President of the Republic, e – the trial of corrupt through the media and retrieve what they stole from the wealth of the people ‘.

Dave   In a second point of the statement, the coordination, said that ‘in the absence of response to the demands above, the date of major demonstrations on 22/11/2019 corresponding to Friday’.

It wishes to clarify the platform “Yes Iraq” that this statement is anonymous and was issued in the name of the youth coordination and did not include the name of the president or members of this coordination and the platform has not yet been able to access the source of this statement, which I received from an anonymous email and tried to follow up the issuance of this statement and did not find.

The platform noted the issuance of statements by anonymous since October 1, without the name, signature or knowledge of the body behind these organizations, which raises doubts of the attempt by some to send and circulate these written data and exploit the speed of social means to spread.

https://yesiraq.com/تظاهرات-25-تشرين–الاول–تتأجل–الى–موعد–اخ/

Urgent source in the Cabinet Secretariat reveals the truth of Sunday holiday

October 17, 2019 Walter  Release date:: 2019/10/17 22:32

A source in the Secretariat of the Council of Ministers revealed the fact of a holiday on Sunday.

The source told (Euphrates News) that “there is no disruption to the official working hours on Sunday and what has been published about the existence of an inaccurate holiday.” is over

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 Pence: We agreed with Turkey on a ceasefire in northern Syria

October 17, 2019 Walter

Pence: We agreed with Turkey on a ceasefire in northern Syria

Date: 2019/10/17 20:45

https://alforatnews.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=215443

Dave   2nd extension for these crooks

Dave   at least they are stead fast in their demands

Dave   Doug_W Know how you feel aboot the corruption......

Dave   just wonder where they could go hide.....?

Dave   esp them Whales......

Baxter   SO... now no riots till Nov 22.... LOL

Baxter   they cant even get their riots done on time..

Dave   not starting from 1/10/2019 ?

Baxter   no these on oct 25.. now cancelled

Baxter   all a bunch of baloney...

Baxter   all of it

Baxter   they cant even plan a protest and get it done on time

Baxter   these people are past stupid

Dave   thousands wounded and many many killed already.....

Baxter   its been that way for hundreds of years..

Baxter   we arent going to change the way they live and die

Baxter   Trump is right for getting out... we should have never gone over in the first place

Dave   Baxter Iraq has enjoyed some relative peace till now

Baxter   there is always fighting over there somewheres..

Dave   before Sunni vs Shia....and Kurds......now people after the crooked politicians

Baxter   thats just it... its always something

Baxter   and the tribes are still fighting.... they cant get one law passed....

Dave   sounding like me now....lol

Baxter   bout ready to take a long break.. from this

Dave   bottom line.....is the corruption and immunity that these crooks enjoy

Doug_W   the minute U do it will POP Bax

Baxter   good... them Im gone

Dave   what i like about this is that this is no longer partisan..... the peeps are going directly after the politicians

Baxter   I listened to PTR today.... absolutely sickening..

Zig   Baxter : Why do you listen??

Baxter   something to do I guess.... hadnt listened in quite a while

Dave   Sounds more like get er done......or COUP!

Dave   Where did you get that?......comes in affect........

Baxter   get what?

Dave   800 Billion usd that vanished........

Zig   Impossible to have a coup unless the army is with you.......

Dave   Mahdi et-al.... Defence Minister on protestors side

Dave   Demonstrations I believe have been approved Zig

Dave   Sadr Sistani......

Dave   Zig Read the news much Zig....or just the Guru conjecture?

Dave   ....again ....planning major demonstrations......what ever that means....

Dave   1 month to get it together .....or else is my take

Dave   or my hope

Baxter   probably wont have a quorum for the riots

Baxter   LOL

Baxter   HERES A GREAT ONE FOR YA: 10-18-2019 Newshound Guru Bloodloch "We’ve taken control of the oil in the Middle East, the oil that we’re talking about, the oil that everybody was worried about. We have the U.S. control of that,” Trump said..." Literally? Allegorically? Financially? At the very least, it is an intriguing statement.

Baxter   10-18-2019 Intel Guru MarkZ [via PDK] I still feel we are very close...right on the edge of seeing this all happen for us. I’m still excited at where we are. There are a few things that I cannot share that makes me believe we will be underway in Oct.

Baxter   10-18-2019 Newshound/Intel Guru David M. Witty Iraqi protest coordinators delay planned 25 October protests until 22 November & give government 30 days to amend the constitution.

Baxter   ;frying-pan-smash

Baxter   10-18-2019 Newshound/Intel Guru Mnt Goat Article: "POLITICAL DIFFERENCES STILL CONSTITUTE AN OBSTACLE TO THE LEGISLATION OF THE OIL AND GAS LAW" I keep telling everyone that the oil and gas law is imperative to getting the reinstatement of the Iraqi dinar. ‘

So, here is yet another article telling us the importance of it. I especially like this last statement and I quote – “stressing that the law, if approved, will join the sale of oil in terms of economic return”.

Funny how this law comes up whenever we are in a period of time when we think that perhaps the project to delete the zeros might take off soon and be completed. :laugh

Baxter   THATS my news for the day....

Francis AlbertMe thinks this Oil and Gas Law "Must" be done....blah blah is just more guru carrot and stick stuff. Once it passes and no real change it will be something else Keep in mind in politics we can't believe anything, and even more so in the Mid East. IMO these folks have agreed on some percentage and like everything in politics milk it for all its worth.

Doug_W   Francis Albert one word covers all that statement~~~POLITICS

Sam I Am  Sergio Shabibi said it was due to inflation

Sergio   By the way, the IQD is and always has been traded with most countries, just it is not allowing banks to make money off of it

Sergio   Sam I Am he said it is just one of the tools the CBI could use to curb inflation not that it had to use that tool.

Sergio   I went over Shabibi questions and answers word by word

Sam I Am   Sergio He said this when he was in DC back in 2011 ... they added the zeros due to hyperinflation

Sam I Am   the video is on YouTube

Sergio   Sam I Am yup I seen it

Sam I Am   In the 1980s, one dinar bought around $3, but economic sanctions imposed on Iraq around the time of the 1991 Gulf War sent the currency into decline and stoked inflation, which the government fuelled by printing money. By late 1995, $1 bought as much as 3,000 dinars. https://www.reuters.com/article/iraq-economy-dinar/mideast-money-iraq-dinar-is-short-term-disappointment-long-term-bet-idUSL5E8KT13720121003

Sergio   I did not hear him say anything about the 3 zeros but I’ll play it again

Sam I Am   Sergio I think he just said that they added zeros ... they created the 10K note under Saddam around 2001

Sergio   Sam I Am thanks I’ll look at again. I’ll look and bring the chart I have over from my site and post it here with a few emails I got from the UN

Sergio   I’ll try to do that this Sunday around this same time if you come back in

Sam I Am   ok

Iobey775   Will remove zeros and then increase value.

Sergio   I will also look at the Docs that Kap says who is in control of the CBI

spankie   thx serg and sam

Sam I Am  de nada

Sergio   spankie no problem it sometimes refreshing to chat and look at facts and opinions to see how they fit together

Sergio   Sam I Am night

Sam I Am   Sergio buenas noches

Sergio   Time for me to cut out too night all

spankie   long time sergio

Sergio   spankie yes I come in from time to time

Sergio   I’ll be back on Sunday with some docs

Zig   Sam I Am : Sergio is a good guy.....have known him since my PTR days.....he has also researched this a lot.....you can converse with him like you do Kap.....and part friends.....is a reasonable person.....too bad he is not here more often but is very busy with several businesses.......

Zig   Iobey775 : Hope you return tomorrow and meet the morning crew.....

 Sergio   Just wanted to remind all what the exchange rate of the Iqd was and what it is now. The big question is will it go back to what it was?

The SDR is an international reserve asset created by the IMF in 1969 and serves as its unit of account. The currency value of the SDR is determined by summing the values in U.S. dollars of a basket of major currencies.

 Date Exchange Rate

April 30, 2012 0.000553591

April 29, 2011 0.000527732

April 30, 2010 0.000566092

April 30, 2009 0.000570626

April 30, 2008 0.000512352

April 30, 2007 0.000516326

April 28, 2006 0.000460244

April 29, 2005 0.000451682

September 22, 2004 0.000466938

September 08, 2003 2.53758

April 30, 2002 2.53758

April 30, 2000 2.43852

April 30, 1999 2.38074

April 30, 1998 2.38881

April 30, 1997 2.3558

April 30, 1996 2.21848

April 30, 1995 2.04504

April 30, 1994 2.26323

April 30, 1993 2.26004

April 30, 1992 2.34852

April 30, 1991 2.39924

April 30, 1990 2.46985

April 28, 1989 2.48283

April 29, 1988 2.32407

April 30, 1987 2.46269

April 30, 1986 2.73556

April 30, 1985 3.24557

 As you look at this chart look at September 8th 2003 and then September 22 of 2004 their rate as of the 8th was $2.53 the range from 1985 3.24 to what we have now. But for the most case its range was in the 2 buck range before the war.

Matt   Sergio Thank You

Wilder   @Sergio what do you feel with the future with this?

Sergio   Wilder As anyone who invest there always can be a downside but, the hope is always there will be a upside

Wilder   Thanks.

spankie   sergio- u are a wealthy business man - u would not be here unless there is something for your investment dolars

18 Oct 19, 10:46 PM Sergio   If you have Invested in the IQD you have to ask yourself a few questions. 1:Are you willing to wait it out with knowing you might not see it in your life time. 2 The amount you invested can you take a loss. 3 What if you sell what you have and the IQD Rvs and you sold out to soonn can you live with that?

spankie   nix #3

spankie   we r all here for the same thing- some naysayers bash the place but real positive lately

Sergio   spankie I would not say i was Wealthy, I would say i save and Invest my money wisely. I have some great   i own and allows me to invest knowing i might not gain from it but did not hurt myself with anything i invest in.

spankie  How many different businesses sergio?

spankie   couple years back u did the bakery- is good today --

spankie   also talked of home renovation- diff things - nice - me construction - rentals also

Sergio   spankie I own a Contractor Business A Mold Remediation Company A Bakery and I am opening a Steak & Sea Food Restaurant

spankie   nice to see ya sergio- gotta go-- sunday

Sergio   spankie Sunday

spankie   all have managers correct

Sergio   Yes

spankie   u cannot do it all

spankie   bill gates had help- lol

 

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Before you Pray * Believe

Before you Speak * Listen

Before you Spend * Earn

Before you Write * Think

Before you Quit * Try

Before you Die * Live

Sandyf   @Dave under liabilities......7,903,265,458

@Dave thought reserves would be an asset

You are misinterpreting the word "reserves", that figure along with the capital would be the "equity" which is used to balance the statement. It is seen as debt because it would normally be funds that would be owed to the owners/investors.

Dave   sandyf so where in this spread sheet do reflect their reserves.....do not see it.......thanx for the drive bye

Matt   Dow Jones Industrial Average INDEXDJX: .DJI   27,025.88 +23.90 (0.089%)^

Portmagaland   We are in the Matrix laying in those pods being used like batteries and everything else is just pretend. This is the only thing that makes sense. Good night and hopefully we wont wake up in Groundhog Day.

Matt   Portmagaland Or the Bible and the fallen angels are running the place.

IQD CALLS Chat Early Friday 10-18-19

 mod   6 ETHICS OF LIFE

Before you Pray * Believe

Before you Speak * Listen

Before you Spend * Earn

Before you Write * Think

Before you Quit * Try

Before you Die * Live

Sandyf   @Dave under liabilities......7,903,265,458

@Dave thought reserves would be an asset

You are misinterpreting the word "reserves", that figure along with the capital would be the "equity" which is used to balance the statement. It is seen as debt because it would normally be funds that would be owed to the owners/investors.

Dave   sandyf so where in this spread sheet do reflect their reserves.....do not see it.......thanx for the drive bye

Matt   Dow Jones Industrial Average INDEXDJX: .DJI   27,025.88 +23.90 (0.089%)^

Portmagaland   We are in the Matrix laying in those pods being used like batteries and everything else is just pretend. This is the only thing that makes sense. Good night and hopefully we wont wake up in Groundhog Day.

Matt   Portmagaland Or the Bible and the fallen angels are running the place.

Deano   I posted this once today and I'm going to post it again. https://dinaroutcast.forumotion.com/t6989-lop-busted-truth-about-dinar    

Chattels   KRG announces $420mn in infrastructure spending https://www.rudaw.net/english/kurdistan/171020191

chattels   Sometimes I think that the government(s) in Iraq announce public funded projects hoping to trigger an infusion of investment capital. So many government projects appear to go unfinished. Things are made to look good. Smoke and mirrors.

chattels   Trump says Turkey and Kurds need to fight ‘like two kids’ https://www.rudaw.net/english/world/18102019

chattels   When kids fight people can get hurt. It is not always " child's play ".

chattels   Brett McGurk, former presidential special envoy for the anti-IS coalition, described Trump’s remarks about “two kids” fighting as “obscene and ignorant”

chattels   It is a complicated world out there.

chattels   I have begun reading the article posted by Deano. https://dinaroutcast.forumotion.com/t6989-lop-busted-truth-about-dinar

chattels   The writer begins by positing a market reaction to a floating dinar.

chattels   The writer opines, without citing any authority, that the dinar would be in high demand and the rate highly volatile with an an initial increase in value.

chattels   There are differing opinions as to same and not all opinions favor any increase in the value of the dinar.

Chattels   Another concern is the writer's comparison of the IQD with Kuwait. Apples and oranges, IMO.

chattels   Which probably makes the point. Many of us have different opinions and it is likely that no one really knows. I am alright with the foregoing. I will stay the course, but unfortunately I am not optimistic which undermines another assumption made by the writer that skeptics are motivated for only two reasons.

chattels   In sum, at least thus far in my reading, the writer settles nothing and only adds to the chorus of disparate and non harmonious opinions.

chattels   The word " cacophony " comes to mind, meaning a harsh discordant mixture of sounds.

chattels   There are reports of a vote on the 26th of this month vote on special grades that has been postponed from the 24th. which could be an important date for all as it pertains to CBI governor.

chattels   We shall see. We do not know what we do not know.

chattels   " ............ we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns—the ones we don't know we don't know."

chattels   United States Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld on February 12, 2002.

Spankie   article was good- man knew economics, lot of good points

Baxter   seemed that way to me

Young_SC   Jeff ...about a month ago they told us in the month of February they were going to implement financial controls and measures at the ports and borders to control the funding and financing of terrorism and money laundering. The only reason you would implement those types of steps is most likely for a rate change...

Young_SC   In my last post I talked about skeptics who enter these chat rooms to try to discourage the people who purchased dinar. There are two main reasons for these people to do this.

 First, they represent other investments and they think by bursting someone’s bubble they may get a new client.

Second, there are those who just do not believe the dinar will ever amount to anything. These people claim to have some kind of economics education and they try to confuse people with numbers and figures.

They omit certain facts to bolster their case. This is much like the atheist who goes in to a Christian chat room for entertainment. Then they turn around and claim we are pushing our religion on them. GIVE ME A BREAK!!!

Young_SC   Ahhhh good ol economics background line they will always say when getting their opinion across

Zig   Young_SC : Who wrote that?

Young_SC   Zig   https://dinaroutcast.forumotion.com/t6989-lop-busted-truth-about-dinar

Baxter   I kind of liked that article

Baxter   10-18-2019 Newshound/Intel Guru David M. Witty Iraqi protest coordinators delay planned 25 October protests until 22 November & give government 30 days to amend the constitution.

THEY CANT EVEN GET A PROTEST GOING ON TIME.... ANOTHER MONTH .

Baxter   seems they even delayed the protest again... lol

futuremoney   unreal

WPY   Must not have paid the protesters, like Soros is paying those in Limey-land.

Baxter   nope

WPY   #1 Dinarland problem : No reliable, evidence based information source. 99.999999% of the so called " intel " is hearsay, he-said, she-said.

WPY   As far as Kaperoni & Sam-he-isn't, their endless droning about " it's never gonna happen " RATIONALLY comes from PAID SHILLS. Who would waste their time going to web sites crooning about how a ' predicted ' event will never come to pass unless they were PAID to do so ?

WPY   Is it rational to think they are here just to save us deluded money grubbers ? NO, it's not. That's why I'm WPY = WHO'S PAYING YOU.

WPY   Same with Dinar Daily. NOBODY does this " saving you " routine, day after day, FOR FREE.

WPY   Even religious people, who try to convert you to the " correct " god can rationally be said to be recruiting for THEIR god. What's the common theme to virtually every religion on the planet ? COLLECTION PLATE !

WPY  Kaperoni would have remained marginally more credible if his " predictions, claims " had diversified into other area's besides his assumptions & presumptions about Iraq. ** ** **  who would believe that some sand box country of no consequence could possibly be " in charge " of a world wide, life changing event ? IS THAT ASSUMPTION CREDIBLE ? NO !

WPY   No rational person would put the never - ending liars in charge of anything besides maybe changing the Kitty litter ?

Zig   Stir that pot!....lol......... ;oh;

WPY   Iraq is so corrupt that corruption is considered the raison d'etre of their governance !

Madness   sadar has already stated he would like to see the dinar brought back to its former glory, if they dont do something before the next riots come out, well we all who hold dinar may not fair well is this, it could go the distance and get super bloody

madness   at some point even through all the corruption they are going to have to raise the value of the currency if they want to be international there is just no way around it, question is when?

WPY   We all are likely to end up with a lot less than we thought - this isn't taking so long because they are looking for more money to give us - they are making sure that us regulars don't get " too much " and wield the financial power they all covet.

madness   well wpy I dont see them coming out at less than 1 to 1 USD, anything way below that would be embarrassing and they dont like to be embarrassed

WPY   I'm betting it's not an " RV," but a global reset. My GUESS is that all will be one-to-one, even steven, which seems the rational way to bring all countries on par.

madness   they would look like fools on the world stage

WPY   They already look like fools, too late.

madness   or like spankie said they could drop 3 zeros and .86 and and float from there

madness   LOL wpy true

if they come out at .86 cents the hedge funders are going to have a field day, thats were we sit back and wait and watch oh the joy

madness   lol im no guru, but at some point as per iraq repeated statements they said they want to go international so okay im game, I can wait it out

WPY   They have to go international or go broke & get taken over. The US, UK, Israel, France, etc., just want to steal their resources, not have to feed their camels.

madness   every time I hear the word guru first thing that pops into mind, is, umm BS artist, scammer, con artist, jerk off, umm pay me money for krap I can find on my own, oh forgot hustler, but thats a disgrace to a real hustler

WPY   The world is presently run by little more than Pirates, who loot, kill & steal whatever they want.

madness   well they better try to start feeding there citizens or all hell is going to break loose again

WPY   I'm convinced that they won't " arrest, incarcerate or execute " all the bad guys, too many of them. The solution is to reset the worlds finances so that looting, stealing & killing is no longer profitable. Set it up so they can play their money games & make just as much being honest. TAKE THE PROFITS OUT OF CONQUEST !

madness   well thats my theory on the dinar going up, it would crush iran which is already getting its arse kicked, mahadi or what ever his name is is probably scared to do it, knowing iran would whack him off the planet

WPY   So a world-wide, one-to-one exchange for all currencies removes any profit from financial manipulation & Viola ! - they become ' honest ' by default. Works for me.

madness   Trump is trying to level the playing field with currency value, its probably not an easy thing to do

madness   the dong for instance is wayyyyy under valued

madness   only way to make this work, which trump is trying to do is shut them out of our markets

WPY   I'm sure that 99% of the " intel " from the sandbox is nonsense. Those countries were here long before the present rulers, & once the little kiddies running them end their tantrums, they will prosper. Religion is a problem , world wide.

WPY   "Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." ― Voltaire

madness   good point

WPY   My favorite REALITY quote : "Man is certainly stark mad; he cannot make a worm, and yet he will be making gods by the dozens." ~ Michel De Montaigne

WPY  “Patriotism is often an arbitrary veneration of real estate over principles." ~ George Jean Nathan -- this covers the manipulation of ' patriotism.'

madness   my favorite quote comes from my lapd officer, sell them the sizzle not the steak

18 Oct 19, 12:55 PM WPY   “The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it.” ~ George Bernard Shaw.

WPY   “We hardly find any persons of good sense save those who agree with us.” ~ François de La Rochefoucauld

WPY   My favorite for the god people : I still say a church steeple with a lightning rod on top shows a lack of confidence. ~ Doug McLeod

madness   well one thing is for sure Oct. 25th should be interesting in iraq, well see.

WPY   "To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.—Voltaire

madness   got to get on the road, take it safe

madness   oh you forgot one wpy, when in doubt just follow the money

WPY   I can't ever see us getting advanced warning about ANYTHING of real significance. Check the past record & see if we were EVER given " inside intel."

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